To: Maurice Winn who wrote (23686 ) 10/9/2007 1:36:58 PM From: carranza2 Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 217796 I'm not wedded to the idea of females being disadvantaged by earlier puberty, but nature has certainly intended something by it. Namely, that they in fact benefit from it. The obvious way they benefit is by having children at a younger age, before things go wrong for them in the wild Hobbesian world of nature red in tooth and claw of times gone by. The girls who matured later were more likely to die without procreating or die with fewer children having been born to take on the challenges. Oh, that one is easy, Mq. Nature made younger women capable of becoming pregnant so that they could deploy their secondary sexual characteristics while clear of skin, tight of body, etc. This allows them to compete with older women who are also of child bearing age but who are losing the SSC battle because time is not their ally. On the other hand, it is the ally of men. The SSCs by definition attract males, and the more developed the SSCs, the more they will be pursued by the high value male. Both of their DNA gets passed on to a child. The females with the most fulsome SSCs get the highest value males. We see this kind of stuff to this day in Wall St. gangsters marrying trophy wives and in popular country and western songs: "Give me younger women, faster horses, older whiskey, more money." But if a high SSC woman is intelligent, and the male is also intelligent, then the chances that the children, whether male or female , will also be more intelligent than the norm, are also good. Men mature later for the same reason females mature earlier. Younger men are not established yet, are generally poor, cannot attract the young girls the way a rich or powerful alpha male can, and thus there is no biological necessity for them to develop in a way which attracts high SSC young women. Nature recognizes the futility of having them develop early and delays them. When they do develop, they can fish in a pond of younger women just like their fathers did. Thus, delayed development for men becomes an asset.Come on, WHY do you think nature arranged the difference in puberty? See above. But in now way does a delay in development mean necessarily that ultimate IQ levels are different. And the reason for this, Mq, and read and listen carefully for this answers all your points, the advantages higher IQs provide cut across gender and thus there is no evolutionary advantage to either men or women or to the entire human race as a whole from having women being saddled with lower IQs than men, particulary since research has shown that IQ is passed through to males by their mother. Read above again and again, until memorized. We can conclude that TJ is a bully, prone to pulling photovoltaic wings off butterflies, and carrots out of the neighbours ground, and conquering Taiwan so that he and his tribe can have their way with the Taiwanese women [though he wouldn't think that's his motivation] and grab the gold, or 450MHz OFDM if they have it. Nah, TJ is a very nice fellow. I doubt that a product of China and Tobago could be particularly ethnocentric or nationalistic at the core. A cosmopolitan creature who recognizes where his particular opportunities lie. That they are a function of background should be no surprise. Heck, if Mexico were to find huge oilfields and become an exporting colossus, I might start becoming a bit more Hispanic. As it is, I detest the prevailing US attitudes towards immigrants.