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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: neolib who wrote (16933)	10/15/2007 2:33:30 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

Bryson's collegues think he is a joke. I think they are being polite and not calling him senile. Still trying to hang on to urban heat islands, even. Poor guy hasn't kept up with the literature. madison.com I'm not sure people are as kind with Gray. There were some articles coming out of Colorado in which collegues used that phrase. Gray and Muddy Thinking about Global Warming ...The problem is not Gray's age -- we all revered Henry Stommel who did some of his finest work in his seventies. The problem is Gray's failure to adapt to a modern era of meteorology, which demands hypotheses soundly grounded in quantitative and consistent physical formulations, not seat-of-the-pants flying. Message 23435914 this is funny... The field has fully embraced numerical modeling, and Gray is increasingly on the fringe. His cranky skepticism has become a tired act among younger scientists. "It's sad," says Emanuel, who has vowed never again to debate Gray in public. When I ask Gray who his intellectual soul mates are regarding global warming, he responds, "I have nobody really to talk to about this stuff." That's not entirely true. He has many friends and colleagues, and the meteorologists tend to share his skeptical streak. I ask if he has ever collaborated on a paper with Richard Lindzen. Gray says he hasn't. He looks a little pained. "Lindzen, he's a hard guy to deal with," Gray says. "He doesn't think he can learn anything from me." Which is correct. Lindzen says of Gray: "His knowledge of theory is frustratingly poor, but he knows more about hurricanes than anyone in the world. I regard him in his own peculiar way as a national resource." washingtonpost.com

To: neolib who wrote (16933)	10/15/2007 3:48:07 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36917

That's where Gore comes in. No matter how you raise the stakes ("It might take another 30 Kyotos", says Jerry Mahlman of the National Centre for Atmospheric Research), Saint Al of the Ecopalypse can raise them higher. Climate change, he says, is the most important moral, ethical, spiritual and political issue humankind has ever faced. Ever. And not just humankind, but alienkind, too. "We are," warns Gore, "altering the balance of energy between our planet and the rest of the universe". lololol what a freaking moron, the guy is dumber then dirt and you follow him. lololol