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To: Archie Meeties who wrote (24349)	10/20/2007 6:15:25 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217567

Let us parse the words and sentences ... Message 23983497 <<The world is being saved, from the usa administration that ... >> The Coalition of The Must is certainly doing that, as in putting knots into bushie plans that is supported by 50.01% of the electorates at least as show by the fact that the bushie plans are still well funded, full stop. << ... lies, cheats, is unable to deliver on any promises, is incapable of cohesive and strategic thinking, is clueless about what is true, is anti-freedom>> No arguments from you, apparently. << ... enables genocide ...>> ... key word, 'enables', and what is happening in Mesopotamia is precisely that, make no mistake due to anything Fox TV and any and all USA-based main line media might spin. <<... supports torture, is complicit in rape and murder, and is destined to fail, utterly>> ... you are in agreement with me, of course. <<An attack on Persia will merely speed up the process and at the same time dispense with another regime that is no more desirable than the one attacking it. A win-win outcome.>> ... a contention that you ought to just take my words for it, for should there be an attack on Persia by USA, it will speed up massive change in both that would be a win win for the world. <<In all cases, the world will inevitably be saved>> ... and so the conclusion. <<Recommendation: buygold, but not right away. Suggestion: buyyen, now, for tora tora tora might be.>> ... and a recommendation followed by a suggestion thatmight or might not prove worthy in trading time. Now let us parse this Message 23983733 <<World leadership will change through a democratic process, not a totalitarian oil state, or whatever Russia considers itself these days>> ... False argument, for the world in the majority would 'vote' with Russia and is, full stop. Do not for a moment believe 150.01 million spendthrift and bankrupting electorates of the empire will lead the world to change via leadership. <<I'm not going to argue the point that the US has not been party to some heinous crimes of late, it has>> ... difficult to argue with the truth and not productive generally. <<although genocide is the wrong term>> ... but "enabler of genocide" is not the wrong term. <<However, these crimes are in the open, discussed, and the fuel for change>> ... do not for a moment believe the next lot ushered into washington will be any better, because they are already in washington and not making one iota of difference. In fact, I believe, the lot to come will be worse, far worse, for they will, instead of being hypocritical, will be hypocritically hypocrital. <<You haven't seen, but the soldier rapists and murders are being tried publically and found guilty>> ... hardly, for some of them are no doubt obtaining bonuses to sign on as contractors, so as to kill some more. <<How much coverage does the genocide in the Sudan get in China?>> The subject matter of China enabling anything in Sudan is more a fiction of the same main line media that is spinning the empires actions in mesopotamia, and thus highly suspect. China does not typically enable; China tries not to interfere, but fails every so often. If what is reported is not exactly true, then not particularly surprising that there is no discussion in China - i.e. there is also no discussion in China about China enabling genocide in Mesopotamia. <<Or Chechnya in Russia?>> ... not clear situation, because too far away, and I for one am not sure who started what because of why and when. Is Chechnya a regime change op, a liberation, or what? War crimes are committed by Mother Russia, but that is the nature of cultural affinity that cb ilaine was so enamored of, enough to term putin a friend. Come to think of it, the bushies called putin a friend also. Explains a lot. <<Could we be having this conversation there? Could true political change ensue from it?>> ... one contention of mine is that electoral politics does not mean the lessening of war and war crimes, and in many ways prolong it, especially when done on a capitalist basis assuring that the economy thrives on war and war crimes, and thus ensure war and war crimes are well funded. <<It is only fear of the future that compels a state to forbid freedom and yoke its citizen under the hand of a single ideology. The world needs saving from that fear more than it needs a democratic president, but hopefully we get both soon>> ... here, trending is everything, and from one outside observer's point of view, what was depicted as the ruling regime in the movie vforvendetta.warnerbros.com is rising as we post, in the empire. The fact that the empire has a electoral political mechanism is hardly relevant to (i) whether its actions are good for humanity (it is not), (ii) whether it will lead in the moral aspects (it will not likely again), (iii) whether it is worthy (hardly). True political reform within the context of a two or three party electoral political system is most assuredly not a given, and in fact probably cannot be, systemically, because each party wwould try to 'capture' the center voters. The problem, systemically speaking, starts when the center voters are hypocritically and hypocritically hypocritical arms swaying spendthrift moral bankrupts believing in birthright to 25% of global resources and a planet-spanning empire that does its bidding, and so the slip and slides began. The fact that the crowds sport red or blue shirts hardly matters. Chugs, TJ

To: Archie Meeties who wrote (24349)	10/20/2007 10:24:08 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 217567

World leadership is changing by the ones with credibility instead as before by the ones swinging the big stick. If you lead by the big stick, you can't sleep, there's always someone trying to beat you up. That's is painful and costly. t is better and cheaper to lead by building credibility and the lead tow your line, because they see their interest advancing and not being blocked. Therefore the forum where the leadership is exercised need to be taken over by the new leaders. The best neighborhood is the one that doesn't need a policeman. It is feasible: It is called civilization. You don't practice only at home and screw the rest. It must be a goal for everyone. Give you an example: Germans are very civilized people. Until they cross the border. Out of their border, they throw the cigarette butts out of the car's window. It is a crooked view of civility: I do at home because there my peers and the police is watching me. By the way see posting below about lack of leadership did with Turkey.

To: Archie Meeties who wrote (24349)	10/29/2007 8:43:27 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217567

<<but the soldier rapists and murders are being tried publically and found guilty>> ... is this what you meant, as in guilty, most certainly, in the eyes of the world, tried by the public; but never tried, and never to be found guilty? ;0) news.yahoo.com QUOTE Immunity deal hampers Blackwater inquiry By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago The State Department promised Blackwater USA bodyguards immunity from prosecution in its investigation of last month's deadly shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians, The Associated Press has learned. The immunity deal has delayed a criminal inquiry into the Sept. 16 killings and could undermine any effort to prosecute security contractors for their role in the incident that has infuriated the Iraqi government. "Once you give immunity, you can't take it away," said a senior law enforcement official familiar with the investigation. State Department officials declined to confirm or deny that immunity had been granted. One official — who refused to be quoted by name_ said: "If, in fact, such a decision was made, it was done without any input or authorization from any senior State Department official in Washington." Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd and FBI spokesman Rich Kolko declined comment. FBI agents were returning to Washington late Monday from Baghdad, where they have been trying to collect evidence in the Sept. 16 embassy convoy shooting without using statements from Blackwater employees who were given immunity. Three senior law enforcement officials said all the Blackwater bodyguards involved — both in the vehicle convoy and in at least two helicopters above — were given the legal protection as investigators from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security sought to find out what happened. The bureau is an arm of the State Department. The law enforcement and State Department officials agreed to speak only if they could remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the inquiry into the incident. The investigative misstep comes in the wake of already-strained relations between the United States and Iraq, which is demanding the right to launch its own prosecution of the Blackwater bodyguards. Blackwater spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell declined comment about the U.S. investigation. Based in Moyock, N.C., Blackwater USA is the largest private security firm protecting U.S. diplomats in Iraq. The company has said its Sept. 16 convoy was under attack before it opened fire in west Baghdad's Nisoor Square, killing 17 Iraqis. A follow-up investigation by the Iraqi government, however, concluded that Blackwater's men were unprovoked. No witnesses have been found to contradict that finding. An initial incident report by U.S. Central Command, which oversees military operations in Iraq, also indicated "no enemy activity involved" in the Sept. 16 incident. The report says Blackwater guards were traveling against the flow of traffic through a traffic circle when they "engaged five civilian vehicles with small arms fire" at a distance of 50 meters. The FBI took over the case early this month, officials said, after prosecutors in the Justice Department's criminal division realized it could not bring charges against Blackwater guards based on their statements to the Diplomatic Security investigators. Officials said the Blackwater bodyguards spoke only after receiving so-called "Garrity" protections, requiring that their statements only be used internally — and not for criminal prosecutions. At that point, the Justice Department shifted the investigation to prosecutors in its national security division, sealing the guards' statements and attempting to build a case based on other evidence from a crime scene that was then already two weeks old. The FBI has re-interviewed some of the Blackwater employees, and one official said Monday that at least several of them have refused to answer questions, citing their constitutional right to avoid self-incrimination. Any statements that the guards give to the FBI could be used to bring criminal charges. A second official, however, said that not all the guards have cited their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination — leaving open the possibility for future charges. The official declined to elaborate. Prosecutors will have to prove that any evidence they use in bringing charges against Blackwater employees was uncovered without using the guards' statements to State Department investigators. They "have to show we got the information independently," one official said. Garrity protections generally are given to police or other public law enforcement officers, and were extended to the Blackwater guards because they were working on behalf of the U.S. government, one official said. Experts said it's rare for them to be given to all or even most witnesses — particularly before a suspect is identified. "You have to be careful," said Michael Horowitz, a former federal prosecutor in Manhattan and senior Justice Department official. "You have to understand early on who your serious subjects are in the investigation, and avoid giving these people the protections." It's not clear why the Diplomatic Security investigators agreed to give immunity to the bodyguards, or who authorized doing so. Bureau of Diplomatic Security chief Richard Griffin last week announced his resignation, effective Thursday. Senior State Department officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, have said his departure was directly related to his oversight of Blackwater contractors. Tyrrell, the Blackwater spokeswoman, said the company was alerted Oct. 2 that FBI would be taking over the investigation from the State Department. She declined further comment. On Oct. 3, State Department Sean McCormack said the FBI had been called in to assist Diplomatic Security investigators. A day later, he said the FBI had taken over the probe. "We, internally and in talking with the FBI, had been thinking about the idea of the FBI leading the investigation for a number of different reasons," McCormack told reporters during an Oct. 4 briefing. Last week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice ordered a series of measures to boost government oversight of the private guards who protect American diplomats in Iraq. They include increased monitoring and explicit rules on when and how they can use deadly force. Blackwater's contract with the State Department expires in May and there are questions whether it will remain as the primary contractor for diplomatic bodyguards. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has said his Cabinet is drafting legislation that would force the State Department to replace Blackwater with another security company. Congress also is expected to investigate the shootings, but a House watchdog committee said it has so far held off, based on a Justice Department request that lawmakers wait until the FBI concludes its inquiry. ___ Associated Press writers Matthew Lee and Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this story. UNQUOTE