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To: one_less who wrote (247491)	11/6/2007 4:59:55 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Rough Cut, re: I've asked you before and I will ask you again Ed, wrong about what? You have never, not once, twice, or a dozen times shown me one single thing that I have stated that is wrong... not ever. You don't seem to recognize "wrong" when it hits you in the oracle balls you like to pontificate with, but I'll try. You usually generalize to such an extent that it all sounds like happy talk but that doesn't make it right. Let's take a look at your post from as far back as....yesterday: Message 24027183 "We are not in Iraq to conquer Iraq, we are there to continue the struggle against tyranny and for liberty, justice, and autonomous self rule for a people who've shown their overwhelming interest in that, which are the underpinnings of our great nation." Now, to put it precisely, that's just silly in today's context. We came to the rationale that we were "there to continue the struggle for liberty" very late. You'll recall that justification was advanced after finding wmds, preventing mushroom clouds and protecting vital American interests didn't work out too well. You must also know that our Bush Administration is no longer touting a free and democratic Iraq but rather a "stable Iraq" with not so many suicide bombers. So that is, as of yesterday, airhead thinking and very wrong. The facts and the current rhetoric simply won't support that. But let's take a look at your next "wrong" statement. You say that with respect to what you've termed a "struggle against tyranny and for liberty, justice, and autonomous self rule" that the Iraqi are "a people who've shown their overwhelming interest in that." That statement is so full of half truths that it's terribly wrong. Most Iraqis have shown an "overwhelming interest" in liberty, justice and self rule for Iraqis like them and tyranny for all the rest. The puppet government is rife with corruption, the Iraqi police forces and army have been repeatedly implicated in large scale and brutal killings of those of other sects and the sight of a uniformed Iraqi strikes fear into the hearts of many Iraqis. And, finally, the "underpinnings of our great nation" have nothing to do with sending American soldiers into the lands of sovereign nations to use lethal force and free them from whatever we consider unacceptable systems of governance. So there you have it. In one short paragraph you use some heroic phrases to distort the true picture of what it is that's happening in Iraq and what it is that we're doing there. You do it in a way that is insidiously damaging because it confuses great notions with great deeds and you ignore the fact that over the last half a decade all the efforts we've made there have resulted in a war torn nation, divided against itself, with poor security for its people, little work and a seething civil war with no end in sight. That is the worst "wrong" of all. Ed