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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (248368)11/13/2007 12:22:57 PM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Super post Ed. I fully understand the ties. I attacked because they cloud the issues we face. How do you account for the kerry vs oneil argument or the swiftboating of cleland, mccain and jack jacobs that i swear to you was done on LBs thread by UW and others a couple of years ago. How can two guys with very similar history be so diametrically opposed on that war, this war and the honor of some of the men who fought it? I would also like you to take a shot at my post about iraq. Can you say we won and the surge worked at least in some military sense and the troops are coming home. Can you say this even if it implies bush did one thing right????????

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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (248368)11/13/2007 7:20:03 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Team Obama announces Veterans Advisory Committee.

my.barackobama.com

Welcome to the Veterans for Obama online home. My name is Bobby Wise. I'm an Iraq vet now working on the veterans movement here in the Cedar Valley of Iowa. This will be your source for continuing updates on Barack's work for our community both from the Senate and the campaign trail. Also posted will be opportunities to get involved in the grassroots effort to change how Washington treats and uses its most powerful asset: our men and women in uniform.

Like so many of you, I've served in some of the most dangerous conditions with some of our America's finest professionals, but our service and commitment doesn't end when we take off the uniform. Barack Obama understands that. He has and continues to work for those of us who have sacrificed so much. Join me and so many of our commrades in arms in making him our next Commander in Chief.

And make sure to check out the news below about the launch of our National Veterans Advisory Committee:

Chicago, IL – The Obama campaign announced the launch of his National Veterans Advisory Committee today that will advise Senator Obama through the course of the campaign on issues related to the challenges facing troops and veterans. The group will also take the lead on building the grassroots network of support in the veteran’s community in key primary states and in communities with large veteran’s populations across the country.

“Senator Obama has been a leader for veterans in the Senate, and has laid out the most comprehensive plan to care for veterans among the 2008 candidates,” said Major General Merrill “Tony” McPeak, a retired four-star Air Force general. “I am honored to work with him to care for our fighting men and women, both when they serve and when they return home. I firmly believe Barack Obama is the best candidate for our nation’s veterans, and I would be proud to call him my commander in chief."

"Barack Obama has fought to improve veterans' care, to reduce homelessness among veterans, and ensure fair disability benefits,” said Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, who served as a United States Air Force intelligence officer. “As President, Barack Obama will continue his leadership for the rights and benefits of veterans. He will stand with veterans -- just as they have stood up for us."

“I’ll be a President who ensures that America serves our men and women in uniform as well as they’ve served us, and that’s why I’m proud to have the support of these veterans advising me on the issues facing our troops and veterans,” Obama stated. “After seven years of an Administration that has stretched our military to the breaking point, ignored deplorable conditions at some VA hospitals, and neglected the planning and preparation necessary to care for our returning heroes, America’s veterans deserve a President who will fight for them not just when it’s easy or convenient, but every hour of every day for the next four years."

As a member of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama is committed to helping the heroes who defend our nation today and the veterans who fought in years past. As a grandson of a World War II veteran who went to college on the G.I. Bill and a member of the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs, Senator Obama has successfully reached out to Republicans and Democrats to pass laws to improve care for troops recovering from injuries, combat homelessness among veterans, and make the disability benefits process more equitable.

Obama has made it a priority to reach out to veterans as part of his presidential campaign. In August, he laid out a comprehensive plan to build a 21st-century Department of Veterans Affairs that upholds America’s sacred trust with our veterans. To read more about the plan, visit:

barackobama.com

Continue after the jump for a list of those included in the The National Veterans Advisory Committee.

IOWA

Col. Bill Peterson, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.), Iowa City, I A

MG Dennis Gray, U.S. Air Force (Ret.), Glenwood, IA

Ray Hutchinson, State Chair of Vietnam Veterans of America., Chairman-Iowa Veterans Council, Des Moines, IA

State Senator Steve Warnstadt, actively a Lieutenant Colonel in Iowa Army National Guard, former state chair of Veterans for Kerry, Sioux City, IA

NEW HAMPSHIRE

State Representative Kris Roberts, Chairman, New Hampshire House State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs Committee, U.S. Marine Corp Lt. Col. (Ret.), Keene, NH

Jim Smith, Brigadier General, U.S. Air Force (Ret.), Salem, NH

Brian Hardy, Commander, Littleton VFW Post 816, Member, Congressman Paul Hodes’ Veterans Advisory Committee U.S. Army – Vietnam, Dalton, NH

Rear Admiral John Hutson, Judge Advocate General Counsel, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.), Bow, NH

NEVADA

1st Sgt. Frank Barbee (Ret.), U.S. Army, Las Vegas, NV

Sgt. Allen Dohra, U.S. Marine Corps (Ret.), Henderson, NV

Cpl. Bert Cooper, U.S. Army (Ret.), Ely, NV

Sfc. Rick Hull, U.S. Army and International Air Guard, Winnemucca, NV

SOUTH CAROLINA

Col. Richard A. Hayes, U.S. Air Force (Ret.), North Charleston, SC

Lt. Col. Arthure W. McMaster, U.S. Army (Ret.), Greenville, SC

Capt. T.R. Rhodes, U.S. Air Force (Ret.), Greenville, SC

Specialist Pete Skidmore, U.S. Army, Fort Mill, SC

NON-EARLY STATES

Senator Tom Daschle, former U.S. Senator and Senate Majority Leader from South Dakota, Served as an intelligence officer in the U. S. Air Force Strategic Air Command

Congressman Neil Abercrombie (D-HI), Chairman, House Armed Services Subcommittee on Air and Land Forces

Congressman Sanford Bishop (D-GA), U.S. Army Veteran

Congressman John Conyers (D-MI), served in the National Guard and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in the Korean War

Delegate Eni Faleomavaega (D-American Samoa), U.S. Army and U.S. Army Reserve, Vietnam Veteran

Congressman Phil Hare (D-IL), served in U.S. Army Reserves for six years and member of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs

Congressman Bobby Rush (D-IL)- enlisted in the U.S. Army at age 17, served from 1963-1968

Congressman Patrick Murphy (D-PA), first, and to date, only veteran of the Iraq War to serve in Congress, and he was awarded the Bronze Star.

Congressman Adam Smith (D-WA), Chairman, House Armed Services Subcommittee on Terrorism and Unconventional Threats and Capabilities

Pat Quinn, Illinois Lieutenant Governor

Alderman James Balcer, U.S. Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran, Chicago, IL

General Merrill “Tony” McPeak; Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force (1990-1994)

Major General Scott Gration, U.S. Air Force (Ret); Commander, Operation Iraqi Freedom’s Task Force West; Director Strategy Policy and Assessments, United States European Command

Col. Charles McGee, U.S. Air Force (Ret.), Combat Veteran from WWII, Korea and Vietnam. Past President of Tuskegee Airmen.

Phillip Carter, Former U.S. Army Captain and Iraq Veteran - Associate, McKenna, Long, & Aldridge LLP

Captain W. Scott Gould, U.S. Naval Reserve (Ret.) -- Former Assistant Secretary, U.S. Department of Commerce. Active duty and reserve officer for 26 years; mobilized for Afghanistan.

John Hurley, U.S. Army, former National Director, Veterans for Kerry, Vietnam Veteran

Col. Richard Klass, U.S. Air Force (Ret.) A Vietnam combat Veteran and president of VETPAC

Brigadier General Dave McGinnis, New York National Guard (Ret.), Vietnam Combat Veteran, former Senior Fellow, National Guard Association.

Dr. Stephen Ondra, Professor of Neurological Surgery, Northwestern University Medical School. Former military and Department of Veterans Affairs Surgeon.

Don Stanton, U.S. Navy Commander (Ret.), Vietnam veteran. Policy Assistant, Office of the Secretary of Defense.

James Swartout, Former board member of the Montana Board of Veterans' Affairs. Former aid to Senate Finance Committee Chairman.

Joann Williams, U.S. Army Reserves, Founder, Chicago Vietnam Veterans and Family Assistance Program

Richard Danzig, served as 71st Secretary of the Navy



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (248368)11/13/2007 8:42:10 PM
From: unclewest  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
Ed,
I have been following your posts. I was not expecting that kind of post but I am glad you wrote it. My already very high level of respect for you has been redoubled.

I respect your military service, your war service, your compassion as seen in the post I am responding too as well as years of past posts from you, and your desire to improve our nation. Would it not be nice if Ken was still around to moderate?

Ken and I disagreed about some of the things that happened between Pleiku, Kontum, Dak To and Ben Het, but heck he was in Pleiku at that time, and I was at the other end at Ben Het. We told each other what we saw...and when the parameters were so set, I never disagreed with him, nor he with me.

We posted, We PM'ed and we called each other. It was understood, we were both American fighting men and we shared the same end goal. Funnee thing. After one gunfight at Ben Het, I got medevaced to the USAF hospital near the runway in Pleiku. Ken told me he watched the dust-offs come in.

Frankly, Ken and I disagreed about some foreign policy measures. But we always could and did acknowledge the points we agreed with.

The real wonder of America is not that we fight to agree. It is that we have the right to willingly fight without government interference to disagree, and we have the same right to fight to agree.

Your positions are always worthy of consideration and I always give them fair measure. I enjoy your writings because I know your motivation is pure. And I know that our end goal is the same - Peace and Liberty for our loved ones.

We do not not have to agree on whether to run a pass play or a running play next, as long as we agree that we must support the play that is called and get to the end zone.

I was very happy for you that your reunion went well. My only suggestion is to do it again. My regular rendezvous with war buddies are a treasured piece of my life.

Ed, I have to say, I do admire your way of cutting through the BS. I agree with your comment, "that old maxim, "until you walk a mile in my shoes" applies. We've walked similar trails and we share many of the same images, the same appreciations and the same sorrows."

We can only hope that some day non-fighting Americans will come to appreciate the pearls of war experience those of us who fought those wars possess, and not disregard them without due consideration. I am certain you and I share the notion that all the wisdom regarding liberty and freedom in America and the world's wars is not locked inside Manhattan Island, San Francisco, DuPont Circle, the halls of Congress, nor The Whitehouse.

I had an experience today in Greensboro, NC that also happened to me once before in Oregon. I had filled my gas tank and was getting ready to drive off when a man about 30 YO walked over and asked what the Purple Heart on my license plate meant. I told him it meant I gave blood at the office. He did not seem to get it and I drove away. I know that many Americans neither know nor appreciate what giving full measure for liberty means. That saddens me for the fallen.

Check out this new link. During my career in SF, I knew 8 of these men. Their stories are worth reading especially for the unitiated and are available on google.

rlhtribute.com

Ed, I leave you with these thoughts tonight...
Happy Veterans Day everyday.
Thank you for your service to America.
Thank you for caring enough to share your wisdom with me.
Welcome Home Brother.
God Bless.
When we meet, the first beer is on me.
De Oppresso Liber,
unclewest

Please pardon one aside. - Mikey, you will never be able to impugn my integrity, nor my honor with your lies. In brief, and for those who do not know me here, I earned my Green Beret in 1962 and spent nearly 11 years overseas in combat zones and high risk areas. Mikey, it is enough for me to know that your contributions to my freedom are non-existent.

In 1776 America's Freedom was won by patriots. Now as then, we have cowards attempting to light the wrong way. Your ilk refused the call to arms then, since then, and you continue to refuse it today. Your posts express one common thread - Fear. You should bow to Ed's and his war buddies' sacrifices and reunion. But you cannot. In fact you can only disrespect their effort and therein lies your sickness.

Get well soon.
uw