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To: Sam who wrote (248485)	11/14/2007 1:30:52 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

You are missing my point which is to cya for withdrawl. Mission completed--we got rid of saddam, calmed things down after a couple of bad years, drove out al queda with a little help, etc etc. Maybe you are just afraid if this argument flies republicans will look better than pelosi/reid dems come the elections. I know there is a long way to go. I know we opened up the can of worms. What i am saying is that the powell doctrine only goes so far when american lives are at stake. If you broke it try to do the best you can to fix it---we would be leaving it better today than under saddam. Now its up to iraqis. Your argument holds true for every revolution and civil disturbance anywhere but sometimes you just cant avoid revs and civ wars.

To: Sam who wrote (248485)	11/14/2007 1:46:44 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Sam, what a spectacular way of stating an elusive piece of wisdom, i.e., " It was the country that made Saddam as much as Saddam making the country." Ed

To: Sam who wrote (248485)	11/14/2007 2:17:55 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Sam, your argument makes the Perfect the enemy of the Good - unless there is peace and freedom all over, it can't be an improvement over Saddam's police state, which ruled by terror and and was punctuated by insurrections put down with tens or hundreds of thousands killed. Iraq will be a mess for some time to come, the nature of Iraqi Arab culture (which the passages you bolded merely display) makes it certain. That does not mean it won't be a big improvement over Saddam, and perceived as such by the Iraqis.