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To: Dale Baker who wrote (43632)11/21/2007 10:38:39 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541877
 
I contrast Chicago lawyer Hillary with Chicago lawyer Obama and how they made their way to where they are now. I have more faith in a self-made character myself.

I don't see Clinton any different on that score. Your argument would have been stronger had she not won the NY Senate seat and performed extremely well. By all accounts, including many Republican senators who worked on bills with her, Lindsay Graham among them.

She has more senatorial experience than Obama; she could certainly have taught at a prominent law school had she so chosen to do (being selected to work in the Watergate committee was, easily, an equivalent); she was, by all accounts, the most accomplished lawyer at the Arkansas firm; etc.

And, like Obama, she overcame, for her public life, the barriers of discrimination. One can argue, forever, as to whether those barriers are harder for race or gender. But they are certainly present for both.

For me, the difference between the two, if I don't have to think about electability, is that Obama is symbolically a much, much superior choice, given the parochial character of American foreign policy right now. And he casts, rhetorically, issues at a more hopeful level. And, frankly, he's a more attractive figure.

But I suspect, in actual practice, their presidencies would not be much different. And Clinton is likely to be the better politician as president, better able to work with congress, etc.

But we'll see.



To: Dale Baker who wrote (43632)11/21/2007 6:30:05 PM
From: KonKilo  Respond to of 541877
 
What if Hillary gets in based on coattails and name recognition and suddenly becomes a stubborn, manic crusader like GWB?

I'd say that is quite a longshot, given her proximity to the Big Dog's counsel.