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To: CapitalistHogg™ who wrote (43720)	11/22/2007 10:16:01 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Respond to of 541457

CapitalistHogg; the theory of evolution and creationism are NOT mutually exclusive both can exist together I agree, but it usually it is the creationist that is intolerant of people who believe in evolution, not the other way around........because creationism is a religion. steve

To: CapitalistHogg™ who wrote (43720)	11/22/2007 11:09:34 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541457

Both could exist together, and as long as religious people admit the obvious scientific evidence that evolution is going on (since we have clear data on that) I'm not sure I care too much where they think humans came from. But people who deny evolution completely, including the examples we have seen in labs and in the wild, are too strange to vote for, imo. The Dalai lama has a good take on science and religion- whatever is true fits with his religion, so his religion (it seems) is big enough to encompass any scientific truths. A religion like that does no hard, imo. A religion too small to encompass new scientific data has no place in the modern world, and i wouldn't vote for anyone who believed such things. Doesn't mean people don't have a right to be as limited as they want to be, but other people don't have to vote for limited people.

To: CapitalistHogg™ who wrote (43720)	11/22/2007 1:42:16 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541457

koan: "I hear many people say the order of things means there has to be a creator. But who created the creator? And if one then says: well, "the creator always existed", then using logic why could not the universe have always existed?" Hogg: "if you have a problem with him because he believes in Jesus Christ <<aka The creator>>--fine, then say so. but what u said was that you wouldn't vote for anyone who does not believe in the theory of evolution and then proceeded to state that the "Theory" was indeed a fact -- lol." koan: " in science, the word theory is used interchangably with fact e.g. Einstein's theory of relativity" is fact. I like to stay away from religion as most people are irrational and very emotional when it comes to that subject. It is always, I am right, you are wrong, and put forth with great indignation and never the twain shall meet. Over 5,000 religons. Which one is correct? But I have no problem with anyone being religous. Who knows? That is different from understanding evolution. And I agree religion and evolution can be mutally exclusive. What I was saying about understanding evolution is that anyone who does not understand it (as science) is not intellectually capable of being a good president. As it is an intellectual concept I would expect a person in that position to be able to understand. A person who has to deal with nuclear proliferation must be a sane top notch thinker! Huckabee said: "I do not beleive in the theory of evolution"! Hogg: "My interpretation of Huckabee's philosophy is that the PROCESS by which the earth was formed by God did not literally take 6 days. what Huckabee is taking issue with is that Man was created from and by god -- not from apes." Huckabee was presenting an allagorical interpretation of the bible. Most Christion religions today have dropped a literal translation of the bible as there are just too many things science has disproved (e.g. the earth was never covered with water"; or crazy things liek when one can sell their sister into slavery-lol. As far as our decending from apes, modern DNA has shown we have indeed decended from apes, and done a pretty good job of fguring out when and where. We came out of Africa about 70/80 thousand years ago. Using DNA we can even trce the route, but there is still lots of learn e.g. did we mate with Neanderthal who had been in europe for 200,000 years? The difference in DNA between a chimp and a human is only a couple of percent and the difference between a homosapian and Neanderthal is almost negligable. Hogg: "The theory of evolution and creationism are NOT mutually exclusive both can exist together." koan:"there is no theory of creationism". 5,000 religions, which theory of creationism are you speaking of?

To: CapitalistHogg™ who wrote (43720)	11/23/2007 12:05:01 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541457

re: Jesus Christ <<aka The creator>> Christ was or is the creator of the universe? Are you really saying that? "believe in the theory of evolution " One does not "believe" in evolution because that would make it a religion: the scientific facts of evolution are "accepted" or they're not. "the theory of evolution and creationism are NOT mutually exclusive both can exist together." How so?

To: CapitalistHogg™ who wrote (43720)	11/23/2007 12:46:07 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Respond to of 541457

"My interpretation of Huckabee's philosophy is that the PROCESS by which the earth was formed by God did not literally take 6 days. what Huckabee is taking issue with is that Man was created from and by god -- not from apes." Like many believers, even they can't logically think the universe was created in 6 days, but Huckabee leaves himself wiggle room by saying he doesn't know how long six days is. But "he is certain that God created the universe" and that God specifically created man and maintains a personal interest in him. He never mentions Christ. That's part of the dichotomy....he doubts 6 days, but is absolutely certain about God and creation. He also strongly indicates that if you don't see it his way, you don't believe in God.