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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (25571)	11/23/2007 1:12:54 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 217561

TBS, poor people trying to make it, are only thinking about how they are going to feed their children, send them to school; pay the rent and the electricity... The young men are just thinking about how he's going to woo a girl, and the girls are only thinking how she's going to find a reliable partner. Only we, with our full bellies, heated rooms and money in the bank are thinking about the higher level issues. Look closely and we are just a minority. The vast majority are the one in the two opening paragraphs... We should not lose the perspective as MQ had, pricing legs, kidneys, selling passports and rubber stamps in documents... Because I as dirty poor in my youth I can understand where the interests of the dirty poor lie... MQ had had his cushy job, during the past set of circumstances and because he had not been involved lately, he doesn’t know what it is to go out there and make money. He only can relate to the “good” old days and want to corset this century like the second half of the last.

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (25571)	11/23/2007 3:08:05 AM
From: arun gera	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 217561

MQ does not think that mission is over yet... >You seem to think that the British sinned for some higher purpose LOL.. Almost like they were on a mission from God to civilize the world.. where the end justifies the means..>

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (25571)	11/23/2007 3:36:24 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217561

BS BS. Life isn't a grey ooze, with everyone the same. Genghis Khan's untender invasions were qualitatively different from the ideas of John Stuart Mill and Wilberforce. To say that the British expansion was the same as other expansions is just plain silly. Read about the British expansion into New Zealand for example. In other migrations, such as Maori invasions into other's countries, they killed, enslaved and ate the local yokels. The British signed up with Maoris of the day for mutual benefit, not dinner. I know that's subtly different, but I think you can see the difference. A mutiny is not quite the same as an escape. A mutiny is a fight to become the boss. An escape is a fleeing, leaving the boss as the boss. Arun's and your arguments are easily explained using Occam's razor. Since they are illogical, something else is driving them. The simple answer is anti-British mentality. It's the same thinking as anti-Negro mentality. One ascribes things to them generally which are simply not true, even collectively, let alone individually. It's basically racist thinking. I know you and Arun probably don't think you are racists, but it looks that way. Same with TJ, who admits he's a racist. There, I win the argument by being first to use the "racist" label. As well as which, I must declare victory and leave as I have a nice cup of tea waiting for me. Mqurice PS: That's exactly what many were on: <Almost like they were on a mission from God to civilize the world.. > One set of my great great grandparents were missionaries [to Norfolk Island]. A set of great grandparents were sailing the Melanesian mission ship 'Southern Cross' bringing young people from Melanesia for education to Mission Bay [in Auckland]. I don't put it in ecclesiastical terms but I'm on the same mission [and making good progress I might add].

To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (25571)	11/24/2007 11:34:15 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (10) \| Respond to of 217561

Kastel, the Original Cute and Cuddly Canadian! Thought I recognized the voice. I would disagree with the argument that the British did not spread civilization. They remade the world in their image. America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are, of course, completely remade in England's image as much as if England terraformed new planets. To a lesser extent you can really see it in India, to a lesser extent still in Hong Kong, Singapore, South Africa, Nigeria, to an even lesser extent many countries all over the world, from Burma to Zambia. The Brits ran a tight ship. They were about as good as it gets, empire-wise, the best since the Romans. Better than the Spanish, who did very well, indeed. The US, well, of course we do it differently. We don't conquer and dominate other countries, we just subvert and assimilate them. We turn them into us, just as we did Canada. Sorry. Of course you don't agree, you think you're different and special. Well, of course you do. And of course you are. Different and special. Not at all assimilated. No worries.