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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: PROLIFE who wrote (766629)12/5/2007 9:47:28 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
I see you didn't read...but let's take it from where you left off after Johnson, there came Nixon...and...we had victory? an immediate withdrawal of troops? NOOOOOO. Under Nixon, millions more died and thousands more troops died and were wounded, but don't let the facts stand in the way of your appalling hatred of the truth.



To: PROLIFE who wrote (766629)12/5/2007 9:48:02 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Troops Must Leave Iraq

By Walter Cronkite and David Krieger

The American people no longer support the war in Iraq. The war is being carried on by a stubborn president who, like Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon during the Vietnam War, does not want to lose.

But from the beginning this has been an ill-considered and poorly prosecuted war that, like the Vietnam War, has diminished respect for America. We believe Bush would like to drag the war on long enough to hand it off to another president.

The war in Iraq reminds us of the tragedy of the Vietnam War. Both wars began with false assertions by the president to the American people and the Congress.

Like Vietnam, the Iraq War has introduced a new vocabulary: ``shock and awe,'' ``mission accomplished,'' and ``the surge.'' Like Vietnam, we have destroyed cities in order to save them. It is not a strategy for success.

The Bush administration has attempted to forestall ending the war by putting in more troops, but more troops will not solve the problem.

We have lost the hearts and minds of most of the Iraqi people, and victory no longer seems to be even a remote possibility. It is time to end our occupation of Iraq, and bring our troops home.

This war has had only limited body counts. There are reports that more than one million Iraqis have died in the war. These reports cannot be corroborated because the U.S. military does not make public the number of the Iraqi dead and injured.

There are also reports that some four million Iraqis have been displaced and are refugees either abroad or within their own country. Iraqis with the resources to leave the country have left. They are frightened. They don't trust the U.S., its allies or its mercenaries to protect them and their interests.

We know more about the body counts of American soldiers in Iraq. Some 4,000 American soldiers have been killed in this war, about a third more than the number of people who died in the terrorist attacks of 9/11. And some 28,000 American soldiers have suffered debilitating injuries.

Many more have been affected by the trauma of war in ways that they will have to live with for the rest of their lives ? ways that will have serious effects not only on their lives and the lives of their loved ones, but on society as a whole.

Due to woefully inadequate resources being provided, our injured soldiers are not receiving the medical treatment and mental health care that they deserve.

The invasion of Iraq was illegal from the start. Not only was Congress lied to in order to secure its support for the invasion of Iraq, but the war lacked the support of the United Nations Security Council and thus was an aggressive war initiated on the false pretenses of weapons of mass destruction.

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Nor has any assertion of a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida proven to be true. In the end, democracy has not come to Iraq. Its government is still being forced to bend to the will of the U.S. administration.

What the war has accomplished is the undermining of U.S. credibility throughout the world, the weakening of our military forces, and the erosion of our Bill of Rights. Nobel Laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz calculates that the war is costing American taxpayers more than $1 trillion.

This amount could double if we continue the war. Each minute we are spending $500,000 in Iraq. Our losses are incalculable. It is time to remove our military forces from Iraq.

We must ask ourselves whether continuing to pursue this war is benefiting the American people or weakening us. We must ask whether continuing the war is benefiting the Iraqi people or inflicting greater suffering upon them.

We believe the answer to these inquiries is that both the American and Iraqi people would benefit by ending the U.S. military presence in Iraq.

Moving forward is not complicated, but it will require courage.

? Step one is to proceed with the rapid withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and hand over the responsibility for the security of Iraq to Iraqi forces.

? Step two is to remove our military bases from Iraq and to turn Iraqi oil over to Iraqis.

? Step three is to provide resources to the Iraqis to rebuild the infrastructure that has been destroyed in the war.

Congress must act. Although Congress never declared war, as required by the Constitution, they did give the president the authority to invade Iraq. Congress must now withdraw that authority and cease its funding of the war.

It is not likely, however, that Congress will act unless the American people make their voices heard with unmistakable clarity. That is the way the Vietnam War was brought to an end. It is the way that the Iraq War will also be brought to an end.

The only question is whether it will be now, or whether the war will drag on, with all the suffering that implies, to an even more tragic, costly and degrading defeat. We will be a better, stronger and more decent country to bring the troops home now.

Walter Cronkite is the former long-time anchor for CBS Evening News. David Krieger is president of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation. The above article is distributed by the UCLA Media Center in Los Angeles.
koreatimes.co.kr



To: PROLIFE who wrote (766629)12/5/2007 10:13:06 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Respond to of 769670
 
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To: PROLIFE who wrote (766629)12/5/2007 10:49:32 PM
From: Karen Lawrence  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
No doubt about it, the U.S. is in a no-win situation in Afghanistan, much like the Russians of a few decades back.

It's too bad America didn't learn its lesson from the Russians in Afghanistan and the French in Viet Nam, but we didn't; we went ahead as if we were the "good guys" who wore the white hats and could not lose because God was on our side. As it turns out, God is not on our side, and we have gone into a country that is not accustomed to allowing others, or their puppets as is Karzai, to take over their country. The Afghans know the mountains of their country, they know all the terrain, the caves, the resources and they have the will-power to withstand the winters and the invasion forces of any and all enemies, as the Russians, the British and now the Americans have found out.


For Bush to think that Musharraf could contain Al Qaida, destroy the Taliban and save Afghanistan for Karzai and America shows how naive he and his buddies in Washington and New York are--they all share the blame, from the White House to the Senate, to the Congress to the NY Times. They all believed the same folly about Afghanistan that they were later fed about Iraq, that we would be welcomed as "saviors," by the people and that they would dance in the streets and support us. As I have long stated in my hundreds of articles, it would not, and did not, happen, and will not happen in any of these countries we are sticking our nose into thinking that it will not be bloodied, whether it is these two countries or Somalia, the Phillipines or Pakistan (if we are foolish to send more troops in there, as we have done on some short sorties within the past year).

Not only have we lost our military personnel, we have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, poisoned more with DUI (depleted uranium which has a half-life of over a million years) including our own service personnel, and children in Iraq and Afghanistan for years to come. These people will never forgive us for these sins, and they should not--as we would not forgive them if they came here and did this to us.

It is now apparent that Bush has wanted to take over Iraq, just as I pointed out years ago in Counterpunch.com and in Informationclaringhouse.info, he wanted it to be "his own little country,"; now, his new treaty, that we shall remain in Iraq forever, makes clear that that was always his plan, not Iraqi "freedom" or Iraqi "democracy," or even taking out Saddam (based on Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Wolfowitz, Powell and Lieberman lies about WMDs and more).

Now, we have lost thousands of our people to death, hundreds of thousands to wounds, both physical and psychological,and hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of Iraqis dead and or wounded--for naught except the extension of power that may last on a temporary basis, but not over a decade at the most because in the end, the Iraqis and whatever groups of allies they will find, will finally attack so long that we will have to leave, as did the Mongols, the Turks, the British and finally us. The same is true in Afghanistan. But to make the problem worse for us in Afghanistan, the billions of dollars that will be made with the largest opium poppy crop in decades will help the Taliban and the warlords buy weapons on the international market that will make them even more powerful enemies who will use these weapons against our regime in Afghanistan and perhaps even in the U.S. So, our wars have not paid, but they may come back to haunt us even more than any of our planners have foreseen.

Add to this, that our economy has been hammered by the expenses of these two wars, wars without ends in sight, and with no return of anything except enemies and sorrows, and you can see how finally some day, the American people will wake up to the destruction we have wrought on others and on ourselves, because every dollar spent on destroying Iraq and Afghanistan is money that could have been used to rebuild the infrastructure of America, to help the poor, the homeless, the elderly and to create jobs for our people because the money would have been recirculation in our economy--instead, it is going to waste in the deserts of Iraq or into the pockets of Halliburton and Bechtel and Blackwater or their cohorts, or into the mountains of Afghanistan, or into the bribes that have not been effective in bringing these wars to a close.

No, it is a no-win situation that is bad and can only get worse, a vicious cycle of destruction, sorrow and defeat brought about by men who know nothing of war and who knew nothing of war, but decided they knew how to run a war based on lies that they were sure would make them go down in history as great men. How foolish they were, how foolish they and their allies in both political parties, from Bush to Lieberman, to Hillary Clinton to Nancy Pelosi and the whole lot--all have betrayed the people of America, these are all people who do not value the lives of the American troops or the Iraqi or Afghani people, and who do not, and did not, value the future of our children and their own grandchildren because of what they have done to help the war and what some have not done to stop these wars and the funding of them.

Tis sad, very sad, but now, we must all pay the piper, even those who were against these wars. This reminds me of the good German, Japanese and Iraqi people who were against Hitler, Tojo and Saddam, who did what they could, but who could not stop the war machines because those in power had all the weapons and the armies to do as they wished and told the people, just as our leaders have told us, to "Go to Hell."

So, now we are in hell, and who knows if and when we'll ever get out of it.

informationclearinghouse.info