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To: estatemakr who wrote (44215)	12/8/2007 7:05:05 AM
From: KonKilo	Respond to of 541627

Sickening, and an outright crime in my opinion. RWE porn such as the movie "300" showing gratuitous beheadings, slashings, and explicit non-stop blood-letting = GOOD A 1.5 second glimpse of Janet Jackson's breast = MORTAL SIN GWB's invasion of a non-threatening sovereign nation under the shoddiest of pretenses that has killed and wounded tens of thousands = GOOD Bill Clinton's extramarital adventure = MORTAL SIN Yours is a strange and incomprehensible tribe.

To: estatemakr who wrote (44215)	12/8/2007 9:35:56 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 541627

The problem, sir, is that it is rare, very very rare, to see parents (very stupid bad parents), take their children to such entertainments in SF. The Us against them, believer versus nonbeliever meme, is an altogether more ubiquitous problem. The parents at the SF street fairs endanger only their children, and if you look at any pictures of the erotic events in SF, you'll see VERY few (though there should be none, obviously.) This pitting of the religious versus the nonbelievers, though, imperils a rather large class of people, and also undermines the freedom FROM religion which our constitution should guarantee; that's a much larger problem, thus it IS worse. You may have a more emotional reaction to kids at the SF SM fair, but it's really a very tiny problem- akin (but with many fewer "victims") to parents who drag their children off to cults. People in the center may have all different viewpoints, and while the center might be shocked at people with the bad sense to expose their kids to S&M, they can very logically be more shocked that a national candidate would travel down the road of the prejudiced, to escape the prejudice of those against him. That's not an out of center view. It might be an intellectual view of what's going on, but it's hardly a fringe view. Perhaps your vantage point is obscuring your vision a bit. It's always hard to figure out where the center is when you're at the edge of the circle spoiling for a fight.

To: estatemakr who wrote (44215)	12/8/2007 11:29:24 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541627

Goodness-- you certainly are trying hard to hate this thread, aren't you? First, it's a common misperception that the thread represents the Center. It's a place for people who dislike the extremism and personal attacks on the many RW or LW threads that abound. It does not mean that the views of every participant are going to reflect some middle ground all the time, but you will find that the discussion of positions is rational, intelligent and polite. It is one of the rare places that people actually listen and consider the other side. Second, you seem to have not understood my post at all, but then I don't think you really wanted to. You seem to have read that I approved the taking of children to the FOlsom St Fair. Did you miss my saying "I was appalled. I won't even pretend to be openminded about this. Some things just should not see the light of day." I used to be in CHild Protective Services, so don't preach to me about that stuff. From there I was trying to segue into behaviors that were in your face, that cross lines, imo. Any behaviors. I was not comparing the behaviors in the moral sense. Syb and Lane seem to have understood it just fine. Syb gave an excellent explanation of why Romney's speech bothered me, so I won;t even bother. And I don't think you really care, anyway.