To: Brumar89 who wrote (363120 ) 12/16/2007 10:04:26 PM From: combjelly Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1586430 "Why don't some speak up when other liberals try to keep ROTC out of colleges?" Haven't seen any here. "BTW how did he come to be arrested? " Simple. He had a private prison where he was "interrogating" people he had picked up. "They aren't being tortured. " Maybe not at the moment. They might have stopped the waterboarding, although it isn't certain. According to the WSJ, they did waterboard at least three at gitmo. "How long it takes is irrelevant to the issue of POW status." But, they aren't POWs. So this isn't really relevant, now is it? "The answer to your question is tt can take a long time. " Umm, right. It has been 6 years. Given that they know we have them in custody, why would they keep the same procedures, same tactics and other things that would make their information relevant? "That is the definition the administration uses." No it isn't. Now true, it does mention those groups, but it then goes beyond that. "Kenneth Pollack said so and he had pretty good credentials. " And he has also been indicted for giving information to AIPAC. Which sort of calls into question his objectivity on issues that concern Israel. "Nevertheless, the weapons are so dangerous, the threat needs to be taken seriously, not dismissed cavalierly as liberals are wont to do." No one ever said threats shouldn't be taken seriously. But invading countries on the off chance they might be developing nuclear weapons either now or in the future is just plain nuts. "You make it sound like they were rebels against "the church"." No. They were rebelling against the current power structures. Of which, the Church most certainly was. "Not something a bunch of secular free thinkers would say." Define "secular". Note the language, "creator". The Deists, who used that kind of language, believe in a God who is very different from the Christian God. Or most any others, for that matter.