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To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (252494)	12/27/2007 4:16:01 PM
From: c.hinton	Respond to of 281500

in a way you are right...... people fail to see that the real threat comes from the destablization of weather and rainfall patterns whose dynamics we have yet to fully understand as opposed to the earth catching on fire. gw,fact or fiction has certainly focused attention on fuel efficiency ,the enviroment ,pollution and the understanding of weather .....those things, imho, have been neglected all to long.

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (252494)	12/27/2007 5:51:58 PM
From: Lou Weed	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Throughout history, the scientific establishment often has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into paradigm change. It was true in Galileo's time>> I think you've got it backwards here. With regards to Galileo....he was persecuted for daring to suggest that Copernicus was correct i.e. that the earth is not the center of the universe. The mighty ESTABLISHMENT had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the realization that THEY were wrong. <<Does anyone wonder how scientists can be so sure the world is warming up alarmingly, when the thermometer was invented only 300 years ago?>> Dendrochronology and isotopic variations in ice cores are most commonly applied proxies for evaluating further back in time. The fact that global surface temperatures have warmed up alarmingly in the last 30 years as measured by thermometers is the cause for concern..... en.wikipedia.org

To: J. C. Dithers who wrote (252494)	12/27/2007 10:20:25 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I am amazed at the blind faith people place on scientific pronouncements -- when their own intellect tells them that something just doesn't add up. In their search for "truth," scientists are influenced by politics and biases just like the rest of us. Very true. When you reached the level where you can show a sick tree and "prove" global warming (not a day goes by that I don't hear some variant of this in media, since anything bad now "proves" global warming and there's always something bad), you have gone past hysteria and straight into religious dogma. A new green dogma. Repend your sins to Gaia. I've seen some conservative bloggers who are practicing psychologist suggest that classical projection is operating here, in the form of removing / denying an uncontrollable fear (such as of nuclear war or another 9/11) and moving it onto a more controllable object, such as global warming. I'm not sure if I buy it, but the situtation is extremely weird. You have millions of people taking their eyes off the ball wrt exisiting problems in order to concentrate their time attention and $$$ onto something which might happen 50 years from now. Or might not happen ever.