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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (20096)1/8/2008 12:29:52 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224649
 
Democrats in Denial
January 8, 2008; Page A20
Over the past 12 months, U.S. troops in Iraq have risen every day and gone to work, dangerous work, implementing General David Petraeus's counterinsurgency strategy. The surge. Across the political spectrum, observers have announced the surge a success. This achievement must be a source of enormous pride to the U.S. soldiers and Marines who have pulled it off.

So what we take away from the four Democratic Presidential candidates' stunning display of misinformation and false statements about the surge Saturday evening is that they have simply stopped thinking about Iraq. They seem to have concluded that opposition to the war permits them to literally not know what the U.S. or the Iraqis are doing there. As the nation commences the selection of an American President, this is a phenomenon worth noting.

Barack hussein Obama is all of a sudden the front-runner, so his view of the surge merits the closest look. His first assertion echoed what has become a standard line by the war's opponents, that "we have not made ourselves safer as a consequence." What can this possibly mean? In more than six years there hasn't been one successful terrorist attack on the U.S., even as places elsewhere were hit or actively targeted.

Then Senator hussein Obama placidly said that the Sunnis in Anbar Province began to help the U.S. "after the Democrats were elected in 2006." What's more, the Democrats' victory showed them they were "going to be left very vulnerable to the Shias." This obviously means the Democrats would abandon them.

But the Sunni Awakening, as it is called, with its fall in bloodshed, occurred only after the Anbar Sunnis were convinced that the U.S. troops would not abandon them to al Qaeda in Iraq. Sunni sheiks have said explicitly it was the new U.S. policy of sustaining the offensive against AQI that made it possible for them to resist the jihadists. The U.S. military has supported the spread of these "awakening councils" in other areas of Iraq. It is navel-gazing in the extreme for Mr. Obama to suggest U.S. Congressional elections caused this turn.

Governor Bill Richardson, who touts his foreign policy credentials, in the space of a minute made five false statements about Iraq. He asserted "zero" internal reconciliation, "zero" progress on sharing oil revenue, "zero" regional elections, "no" increased effort by the government to train their own security forces and "no" effort to push back against Iran. One can certainly question what the Iraqis have done in all these areas, but to reduce the last year to a nullity isn't worthy of a serious candidate.

"If you look at what happened in Iraq," said John Edwards, you'll see that violence fell after the British withdrew from "where those troops were located." This is precisely the opposite of what happened. The Brits were located in southern Basra province, and their drawdown began last month after what U.K. Foreign Secretary David Miliband at the handover ceremony called a "massive" decline in insurgent activity. Mr. Edwards's view that a troop pullout will reduce Iraq's violence is unique among public figures anywhere.

In different ways one can explain the views of these three. Senatorhussein Obama seems to be talking his way toward believing that eloquence and credibility are the same thing; Mr. Edwards's campaign is aggressively parochial in its interests; and Bill Richardson used the debate Saturday to blow up the remnants of his campaign.

That leaves Senator Hillary Clinton, the one of these four whose "experience" should have insulated her from fantastic statements. As is her wont, it is difficult to pin down precisely what she said.

Reminded of her famous September remark to General Petraeus that only a "willing suspension of disbelief" could show that the surge had done any good, she replied "that's right," adding that the surge had failed to create "space" for political reconciliation. But at the Iraqi grassroots there has been a great movement toward a modus vivendi, resulting in much of the reduction in violence.

Perhaps catching the exuberance of her debate mates, Mrs. Clinton then said there was no reason troops "should remain beyond, you know, today." President Bush and the Iraqis recently announced a plan to negotiate a long-term presence by some U.S. troops. Would these candidates walk away from that commitment?

Even allowing for the stresses of the endless campaign, these responses are astonishing. Has the self-directedness of these candidates gone so deep that they now believe they can get away with saying anything at all on national TV?

We are not arguing that one had to agree with the surge or the Bush decision to go into Iraq. Dissent is a deep tradition in U.S. politics, and this war has become a bitter subject.

It is evident, though, that the opposition to Iraq after the Democrats won control of Congress in 2006 has put these candidates in a corner. For the past year, Democrats in both the Senate and House have enforced rock-solid party opposition to every jot and tittle of the Bush policy. They now have four candidates running for the U.S. Presidency who seem to believe it is to their political advantage to deny manifest reality.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (20096)1/8/2008 12:36:52 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 224649
 
edwardsliar: Edwards Invokes Teenager’s Death in Campaign
Posted by Shirley S. Wang
The death of 17-year-old Nataline Sarkisyan (pictured) has been placed front and center by presidential hopeful John Edwards. Her tragic story is packing an emotional punch in his campaign, providing extra oomph to his call for an overhaul of the health-care system, the WSJ reports.

Sarkisyan died on Dec. 20 after Cigna initially denied her coverage for a liver transplant, citing insufficient evidence that the procedure would be safe or effective. Cigna defended its handling of the case.

“I’m perplexed that this has become a campaign issue,” Jeffrey Kang, Cigna’s chief medical officer, told the WSJ. “It is highly unlikely that any health-care insurance system, nationally or internationally, would have covered this procedure.” Cigna reversed its decision, but she died later the same day.


The case raises the question of whether insurance companies are offering adequate coverage to Americans, and how decisions should be made about which patients should get covered and for what procedures.

Edwards advocates a government-run health plan open to all Americans, rather than the current system in which insurers decide on patient eligibility. He also thinks that insurers should be cut out of discussions about health-care reform, a more stringent stance against insurance companies than, for instance, Barack Obama, the WSJ writes.

Sarkisyan’s emotionally evocative story may bring the issue of health care to the forefront — and, importantly for candidate, call more attention to Edwards’s stance on the issue.

Sarkisyan’s father, Grigor, addressed the crowd at Edwards’s rally in New Hampshire yesterday, and said, according to the WSJ: Instead of buying a car for her birthday, “after she passed away, I bought a coffin for her because Cigna – they killed my daughter. I don’t have a daughter any more.”

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I can’t believe that the focus is on whether the procedure would be worth it for her- what about the thousands of other people who have been on the UNOS list waiting for a transplant for years? Even if Cigna had paid for it, I doubt she would have gotten an organ in time. Organs are in short supply, and this is further evidence we need to revamp our system of doling them out to prevent them from going to “test” cases who might live a few months instead of people who could live for many years.

Comment by Seriously? - January 7, 2008 at 9:38 am
Why isn’t UCLA Medical Center to blame for demanding $75,000 before providing the transplant? Everyone’s screaming at CIGNA, but UCLA Medical Center is a non-profit, government-run entity — precisely the kind of institutional that somebody like Edwards wants to have run our health care and make health care decisions for us. Sounds kinda ironic to me!

Comment by A Commenter - January 7, 2008 at 9:49 am
Sen Edwards is part of problem:
1. He made his fortune suing doctors and insurers in the art of second-guessing decisions made in which he has expert 20-20 hindsight vision.
2. Sen Edwards wants to cap profits of insurers. Let’s see him step up front and center to cap lawyer contingency fees at which he has made his fortune.
3. American society has come to believe, thanks to the Sen Edwards of the world, that the insurance bucket and supply of organs is limitless.
4. My insurance premiums pay for these expensive procedures and to expend my limited resources on lives that are going to end shortly anyway is poor stewardship. However, the rhetoric of the Sen Edwards of the world buys him votes! what a deal!

Comment by maccarthur - January 7, 2008 at 9:50 am
There will always be some therphy that may have some probability of some level of success.
We must address the expectations of our society.Now with 16% of GDP going to health care can we really afford providing unlimited resources to everyone.
Perhaps we need some level of “excess coverage” for those willing to pay for these extraordinary endeavors.
Not everyone can afford a Mercedes.

Comment by Andy - January 7, 2008 at 9:54 am
Sen. Edwards and the rest of the democrats need to understand the healthcare system is just that, a system. You cannot fix it by adjusting just one piece, the insurance companies. Instead you have to change the entire system.

If you are going to put limits on the insurance companies, then why not put limits on the drug companies, the hospitals, and the doctors?

Why not put rewards systems place for proper care?

Somebody in the system has to make decisions on care and cost. My opinion is that this decisions is better placed anywhere than Washington, DC.

Comment by jhannon - January 7, 2008 at 9:58 am
1. The implication is that Edwards would have the government expand medical coverage to include people and procedures beyond what the insurance companies currently cover. Where does the money come from?

2. At the margins, there is always going to be some procedure that doesn’t make sense to the insurer, but makes perfect sense to the emotionally tied family. How would the government make these decisions? How would it be better than it is now.

3. I lived in Canada for three years under their government plan, OHIP. The system was clogged with mothers with kids with runny noses while you had to wait weeks for an MRI for a serious disease. Somehow health care must be allocated because the demand is virtually unlimited, but the resource is not. How would the government solve this problem?

Comment by M Lasher - January 7, 2008 at 10:08 am
America needs a government-controlled fee schedule…for lawyers. For instance, if lawyers knew they would only be paid $1,000 per divorce, feuding spouses’ attorneys would have every incentive to reach a settlement rather than prolonging litigation. That would wipe the smirks off the shysters’ faces!

Comment by Litigation Victim - January 7, 2008 at 10:08 am
Without going into the details of this case, I am concerned about populist commentary and the need for resource allocation. We are fast arriving at a day when we cannot do everything for everyone. In a complex case such as this, what degree of success and for how long is needed for allocating a scarce organ and substantial financial resources? If the underlying disease has a 30% chance of long term survival and the weakened patient has only a 40% chace of a successful transplant, is that an appropriate operation — 25% X 40% is a 10% chance of long term survival — Substitute other numbers and play with the odds — What is a good decision when so many have unmet medical needs>

Comment by William Golden MD MACP - January 7, 2008 at 10:14 am
I can’t comment on the details of this particular case (e.g., appropriateness for transplant), but there is clearly a dearth of organs for transplant. Unfortunately, policy development — in this area as in others — is often driven by bad outcomes in particular cases. Regarding organ transplantation, generally, as an earlier commenter noted, there is a long waiting list — due to the dearth of organs. If the patient in question were eligible for transplant under UNOS rules, an insurer really shouldn’t have a separate set of rules by which it determines the medical appropriateness of the transplant. In any event, increasing organ supply is a key issue here: whether by promoting paired donors (I want to donate a kidney to my brother, you want to donate to your daughter, we don’t match our kin, but we match each other’s); donor registries like Lifesharers (I’ll agree to donate an organ, so if I ever need one I can get one I need from the pool of Lifesharers donors); or a change in the legal presumption on organ donation to presumed consent, together with a commitment to abide by that consent rather than allowing family members to override a donor’s decision (instead of the current presumption of no consent). For more info on this issue, see my HealthBlawg post on the subject here, and posts on Maggie Mahar’s Health Beat blog here and here.

Comment by David Harlow - January 7, 2008 at 10:19 am
Given the rapidity of the patient’s death, it is highly unlikely that a donor liver could have been obtained in time to save her life, unless her sibling (the one who provided the bone marrow for transplant) agreed to a living donor transplant proceedure, which has considerable risk to the donor. To state a 65% 6-month survival with a liver transplant seems completely egregious. One wonders what the interest of the physicians involved in doing the bone marrow transplant were, given that the bone marrow transplant resulted in the liver failure. Perpetrator guilt, or the treating physician concern that the patient was going to die from the transplant proceedure that they performed, may have had too much of an emotional, and professional, tie to the case to make rational recommendations. A liver transplant under conditions of complete liver failure due to a bone marrow transplant, which itself has a high mortality would be the highest of high risk approaches. Cigna didn’t kill the patient. The disease and its treatment did. The 65% six month survival statistic is likely related to the data on survival with the type of leukemia the patient had with a successful bone marrow transplant, without figuring in the liver failure and the risk attendent on a liver transplant. Liklihood of survival in this case was more probably very low. To ask a living related donor to incur the risk of a liver transplant donation in this case is going for heroics and probably not justified. One has to consider the ego of the surgeons, and their desire to “make medical history.” If they succeeded, they would be heroes–if not, no one would take notice, and it would be on to the next case. Surgeons at academic medical centers tend to like to “push the envelope” for their own professional self-aggrandization. UCLA is no exception. In this case, the guaranteed outcome without transplant was death, so the surgeons would argue that the benefits, whatever they may be, would outweigh the risks, but that isn’t necessarily so. The University may be on the hook if this goes to litigation, for over-promising results, which would then have led to the litigation. A liver transplant was the only possible intervention in the circumstance, with no data at all on potential outcome. If the insurance refused coverage, the University could have still gone ahead with the proceedure, on a pro bono basis if it wished. Why is it that the medical facility bears no criticism for failing to proceed at its own expense, as opposed to vilifying the insurance company who has no obligation to cover what can only be considered an experimental approach with unknown risk and benefit? Oncologists are also notorious for “doing everything possible” and in my experience, have often recommended completely unproven and ineffectual treatments simply because they exist, in order to maintain hope and to be able to affirm that they “did everything possible’ even though the treatments often cause great suffering and hasten the patient’s demise. Bone marrow transplant has become a much less used treatment than in the past because of its lack of success and high risk, although approaches have improved. A thorough review of the case by appropriate independent specialists would be the basis for review in such a case, not egregious polilticization with demagoguery and legal hucksterism on the campaign trail by a trail lawyer. Obviously once a trial lawyer, always a trial lawyer. Edwards’ behavior is completely unconscionable–he’s trying to drum up business for himself or his contributor trial lawyers with the forum of a presidential campaign, a conflict of interest if there ever was one. Disbarment proceedures should proceed apace. Mike Nifong never did anything so egregious.

Comment by Kent J. Lyon, M.D. - January 7, 2008 at 10:20 am



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (20096)1/8/2008 12:42:58 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 224649
 
I have a tendency towards the Democratic platform, but Edwards is WAY off base on this one. The Cigna representative was right: no one would have paid for this procedure, let alone a government agency. And that is totally ignoring the issue (as brought up by several commenters) that livers are in short supply and giving one to this woman with such a small probability of success and denying it to someone else with a much higher probability of success is of itself an ethical morass. Finally, if there is any group at fault here, it is the gang of cowboy surgeons at UCLA who would even think of offering a liver transplant to a woman who is status-post bone marrow transplant and in the throes of graft-vs-host disease. It boggles the mind….

Comment by Dan - January 7, 2008 at 10:52 am
We already have government-mandated health care, and it looks like NBC’s “ER.” My top-of-the-line insurance company recently had me wait for a scan at Sacramento’s largest teaching hospital, unfortunately on a Friday afternoon. 14 hours of kidney-stone agony was my contribution for social justice, I suppose. “Those rich people always get seen first” the lady behind me said, shortly before she was seen first, as was every gangbanger with a knife cut or a through-and-through (their social network seems to consist of only lousy shots). I was faint from pain, and my wife could only hold my hand as we endured shouted one-upsmanships (”My boys, this is their second gunshot in two weeks. And that cop said it was Seesee, but we saw Chipper do it”). A university-educated first-generation immigrant who operates two dry cleaning stores waited two hours for attention to his chest pains, after which his family, bespectacled brainiacs all, arrived and took him elsewhere. This memorable entertainment costs me only seven thousand a year. My premiums have quadrupled in a less than a decade—where is the money going?

Comment by Tom Bright - January 7, 2008 at 10:58 am
This is further proof that Edwards will stoop to any means to advance his agenda. He does not care about the truth of an issue. He rails against special interest. Ok let’s see if he will take on the biggest of the all; his fellow trial lawyers. Doubt it.

Comment by Jim Larkin - January 7, 2008 at 11:01 am
“Edwards advocates a government-run health plan open to all Americans, rather than the current system in which insurers decide on patient eligibility.”
Implicit in his posturing, a government system would have provided payment for this and all other experimental procedures.
Thus, the public is being sold a false promise. No government based plan anywhere in the world lives up to such a grandiose promise.
Framing the discussion with an imperfect present system compared with a perfect future is populist demagoguery at its worst.

Comment by Gibson - January 7, 2008 at 11:03 am
This is certainly a case of politicizing the illness of a very unfortunate teenager. One can only appreciate the sorrow her parents must feel.

The case certainly highlights the great connundrum of our time. As medical advances are made and people’s expectations rise there is no end to what can be done. There is, however, little debate or education of the public concerning what is reasonable.

As a society we have, even after 30+ years not learned to live within our means when it comes to healthcare. As illustrated by some of the physician comments above, the profession is in many ways an enabler of excessive expectation.

In a Nation which has assumed huge deficits through consumption (not investment in infrastructure), and which continues to offshore manufacturing, who will pay for every desired procedure?

There should be debate surrounding John Edward’s “Patient Bill of Rights.” I’ve not seen it but would it guarantee liver transplants to any and all unfortunate individuals who may or may not benefit from such a procedure?

John is very good at legal and political rhetoric. One has to give him that. But is it good for The Republic? Would he agree to a malpractice solution which awards compensation based on a review by a compensation board rather than a tort court? Will John Edwards work to reform an legal system which is a very large industry that does not create but rather redistributes wealth?

Comment by Eric W. Lewis, MD - January 7, 2008 at 11:09 am



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (20096)1/8/2008 2:48:41 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 224649
 
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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (20096)1/8/2008 2:55:27 PM
From: longnshort  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224649
 
Imagine if Mitt Romney's church proclaimed on its Web site that it is "unashamedly white."
So begins an article posted yesterday by best-selling author Ronald Kessler, chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com, who guesses "the media would pounce, and Romney's presidential candidacy would be over. Yet that is exactly what Barack Obama's church says on its Web site — except in reverse."

"We are a congregation which is unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian," says the Trinity United Church of Christ's Web site in Chicago. "We are an African people and remain true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

And that's "just the beginning," writes Mr. Kessler, a former reporter for the Boston Herald, Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post.