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To: TimF who wrote (47288)	1/30/2008 11:24:29 AM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541778

It is a relevant variable. "The sophistication with which one solves an hypothesis is dependent upon how many variables one can hold in consideration at any given time". But my beef with bush is his lack of humanity and the fact he has followed an elitist philosophy making the rich richer and the poor poorer via the neo cons. His adviser Karen Hughes and David frum also said bush did not like people who read books or have novel ideas and bush himself said he did not read the newspapers. Why did he not know about katrina for two days when the whole world knew about it? That is pretty inexcusable for a president of

To: TimF who wrote (47288)	1/30/2008 11:40:39 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Respond to of 541778

Tim; Its not his grades or his IQ that are the issue, its his politics and his record. There is all kinds of smarts. Being pragmatic has nothing to do with how smart you are but it sure does determine how successful you are. Some people have that inner quality to know what you can do successfully and what would fail if tried. Reagan had that ability Bush does not. (That is from NPR yesterday - not my original thinking). One of the failings of schools is the reliance they put on grades. steve

To: TimF who wrote (47288)	1/30/2008 12:14:35 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541778

Tim, re: "Far too much is made of Bush's grades." I agree, I think we should have been much more interested in his history as a cheerleader, his immersion into fraternity life and his playboy lifestyle in the 60s when so many young people were deeply involved in the political issues of Vietnam or were off fighting that war, his failings in business, his manipulation of big oil money ties to his father or the government to enhance his business interests, his utter failure to distinguish himself as anyone other than the privileged son of a very wealthy and accomplished father and some other aspects of his history. Many people with poor grades have good minds but simply aren't interested in working for top grades or, unlike the Condi Rice's of the world, aren't disciple personalities who automatically internalize and regurgitate whatever they're told. So yes, that's a bad rap for Bush. Ed

To: TimF who wrote (47288)	1/30/2008 5:55:39 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541778

<<<This whole Bush is STUPID theme, is itself rather STUPID. Its also besides the point. Its not his grades or his IQ that are the issue, its his politics and his record.>>> If you are not that smart you can still do okay if you can compensate by studying, working diligently, and being focused. Most likely Bush does not have an extremely low IQ. Chances are it is somewhere between 120 and 130. He is probably in 80 - 90 percentile. Nowadays you really need a high IQ and to be diligent to succeed. I doubt that you can succeed and be head of IBM, Intel, Microsoft, GS, etc with much less than an of IQ of 140 or more. Even then, you would have to work your butt off. My guess is that Bill Clinton is in the 145 to 160 range. That probably puts him in the 98 percentile. He can get away with occassionaly be indulgent, unfocused and lazy. But Bush with a relatively low IQ did not study, drank, partied, and did not take life seriously until he was over 40 years old. When did he start to apply himself and gain the knowledge that he needed to run the US of A?