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To: Lane3 who wrote (47331)	1/30/2008 1:40:29 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 541853

And then again with welfare policies that undermined the family. Good point. Steps to "pay back" can also cause harm. Well welfare isn't/wasn't a race based thing, but a poverty based thing, but the same would hold for an explicitly race based welfare program. My main thought about federal government programs that supposedly represent paying back for slavery is that none of the slaves and none of the slave holders are still alive. So you have a situation where A harms B, so we make C pay D to "compensate for the harm". Now there are many people still alive who felt the official and legal discrimination from previous decades, but for multiple reasons I don't think some form of formal compensation from the government is the way to go. Not only do you have a situation where you making people who didn't cause the harm pay for it, and having it go to many people who didn't directly experience the harm (at least if you make it based on race rather than based on compensating for specific acts of official discrimination) your also doing something that may cause harm to the people your trying to help. I think the main focus should be on treating people as people, not as members of various classes (ethnic/racial, religious, etc.) Particularly in terms of official/legal/government actions.

To: Lane3 who wrote (47331)	1/30/2008 2:17:18 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541853

lane3:"And then again with welfare policies that undermined the family." koan: "I do not agree with that." It saves many people! There is still massive racism. When it is hard for the black person to get a job often welfare saves their bacon. I do not begrudge them that. I seldon hear conservatives talk about corporate welfare. Like bush giving oil companies 5 billion in tax cuts when they are making record profits. Now that is obcene!