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To: Joe NYC who wrote (370291)	2/7/2008 7:35:24 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572171

>That luxury is not available in smaller schools, especially elementary schools. So what makes a school less "egalitarian" to your liking, other than having such classes? -Z

To: Joe NYC who wrote (370291)	2/7/2008 7:49:19 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572171

That luxury is not available in smaller schools, especially elementary schools. And, an average kid not smart enough for honor classes still gets stuck with disruptive, undisciplined kids. And teachers don't and can't enforce discipline. Its depends on the school, the location and how many kids in a class. When you have 30 kids, its very difficult to try and deal with the 4 or 5 problems. Its been shown statistically that if you get the classroom population down to around 20, its gets much easier to manage a classroom with problem kids. However, the problem is too much education money is going to the suburban schools where there are few problems and not enough to inner city schools. In one school where I did a practicum, they move the problem kids out of the classroom to a special classroom where the teacher student ratio is closer to one on one. If there is not a opening for a kid, they have volunteers accompany the problem child from classroom to classroom. When he or she acts up, they are there to intercede leaving the teacher free to deal with his/her other students. Most good school districts recognize the problem, and know what the solutions are but they are chronically short of funds which prevents them from implementing the proper solutions.

To: Joe NYC who wrote (370291)	2/7/2008 7:55:09 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572171

Oh, come on, Joe. Public schools have several levels of classes. I graduated from an inner-city school less than ten years ago, and we had Regents-level (average), Honors, Advanced Placement, and remedial classes. That's far from egalitarian. As far as I can tell, that hasn't changed. That luxury is not available in smaller schools, especially elementary schools. Here, they don't start AP classes until the sixth grade. Its believed that kids are having too many issues that advanced placement will only compound. For an example, a kid maybe be brilliant in math but may be too immature to move him or her to a higher grade. However, if s/he shows an aptitude in say math....they will encourage him/her to take math classes in a higher grade. And, an average kid not smart enough for honor classes still gets stuck with disruptive, undisciplined kids. And teachers don't and can't enforce discipline. Maybe in NYC and LA that's a big problem but I don't think its its a big a problem in most elementary schools. Kids act out but most teachers can handle the smaller children.