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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: greenspirit who wrote (20219)	2/10/2008 9:09:48 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

Good science will not flourish until an environment of open dialogue and research is allowed to grow. Good science is flourishing all around. You just don't like it. Your likes and dislikes (just as my likes or dislikes) have nothing to do with the quality of science being done. Until those who disagree with the Al Gore environmental zealots are given equal time and not attacked in an anti-intellectual knee jerk fashion. That attitude is precisely why I always keep bring up creationism as a good example for you guys. The cry of the creationist/ID crowd is exactly the same as yours here: We want equal time for our nonsense. Just look at your argument. You want equal time first, then you think you will get your "good" science which proves your view. It does not work that way. First produce some good science defending your views, then you will get equal time. Why this comes as a surprise is beyond me. Both creationists and AGW deniers are free to pursue all the research they want. There is tons of money people will throw at them as well. But for some strange reason, neither does much of any research. Why is that? You need to understand one excellent example which illustrates just how out-to-lunch all your claims of oppression are: Steve McIntyre's discovery of the data error in GISS temps for 2000-2006. NASA looked at his claims, accepted them, fixed their problem and acknowledged his efforts within 1-2 days. Why? Because the scientists looking at his work saw compelling evidence that it was correct. That is the way of science. This despite the fact that he has been bashing GISS for quite some time and there is perhaps some bad blood between them. On the other hand, the climate community still rejects much of McIntyre's other work as being poor science. Why did they accept one piece of work and reject other pieces? Same dude they are dealing with. So that example kind of blows all your nonsense about oppression out of the water. Shutup and do good work is the best advice for the "scientists" trying to discredit AGW. Nothing is stopping them from trying other than their own misdirected efforts of trying to sway public opinion rather than the opinion of other scientists. Since it appears you believe to know more than an eminent scientists like Frederick Seitz about Global Warming, perhaps you could point out in detail where his analysis is incorrect? Google a little using his name. Let me ask you what you think of his work for tobacco companies trying to disprove the harmful effects of smoking. Does this not even in the least make you think twice about his position on GW? How blatant does it have to get before you wake up? It does not bother you at all that there is a very nicely documented history of right wing think tank "science" all predicated on FUD as a method of "science" rather than actually doing science? It's not like this is hidden information. Look up the Wedge Document in the ID movement. Kristol did the same for Conservative science many years ago. You guys at some point need to wake up and clean house or eventually Conservatives are going to be so intertwined with deception in science that anyone with a functional brain will repudiate you. When that happens, you will have no one to blame but the one you see in a mirror.