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To: Tom Clarke who wrote (238967)	2/16/2008 6:29:59 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

Oh man. Is this going to get ugly. If the scenario plays out the way Ickes thinks it will, there will be real, devastating and lasting harm to the Democratic party. Like I said, I'm stunned he is saying this as openly as he is. Two questions: 1. Isn't this exactly the reason that all those superdelegates were created in the first place, so that the party establishment could put its collective thumb on the scale for the candidate it preferred? If the Democrats thought it was such a bad idea, why didn't they object to it before? 2. Where can I buy tickets? I wouldn't miss this fight for the world.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (238967)	2/16/2008 8:43:33 PM
From: MJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

tom Interesting commentary reg. Ickes and 1988 and proportional voting. His statement about the super delegates gives fair warning to both Hillary and Obama. Party Primaries have rarely been understood in the process of selecting the Party's Presidential Candidate. The Primary for each party is basically a non-binding party straw poll of those who will not be going to the Party's caucuses and conventions with some crossover votes from party to party. I am somewhat surprised that Obama was not aware of the rules that Ickes had gotten through a previous convention(is that correct) when OB started the campaign. The Democrats definitely have a dilemna on their hands. The Republicans appear to have agreed on McCain giving them the opportunity to solidify now. I don't see Huckabee winning more delegates than McCain but do see his influencing McCain's choice of VP----not that it would be Huckabee but a choice agreeable to Huckabee's supporters. mj

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (238967)	2/18/2008 5:47:18 PM
From: Bridge Player	Respond to of 793917

A top Hillary Clinton adviser on Saturday boldly predicted his candidate would lock down the nomination before the August convention by definitively winning over party insiders and officials known as superdelegates, claiming the number of state elections won by rival Barack Obama would be “irrelevant” to their decision. This is exactly what I meant in an earlier post by a reference to the Clinton "machine". I believe that if Hillary wins Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania by margins of 4-5% or more, that the above prediction is exactly what will happen. Should she lose one of those states...well, it's gonna get really interesting in a few months. Those who will do almost literally anything to win.....usually win.