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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (4768)	2/21/2008 10:37:26 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

"It doesn't follow as a matter of logic." It does to me......but then, I may be a functional illiterate. You and your compadres keep talking about freebies.....medical care will not be a freebie....... Farm subsidies are a freebie. Tax cuts for the rich are a freebie....

To: TimF who wrote (4768)	2/22/2008 9:53:05 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 42652

<<<don't you logically think that if all the systems were a failure, at least one of them would have dumped it? It doesn't follow as a matter of logic. In terms of deductive logic there simply is no connection. In terms of inductive logic (which is less solid, but easier to apply to more real world situations) the results show that government programs that give out popular "freebies" or subsidies tend to stick around even if they are failures in economic terms. (Look at farm price supports in the US and Europe, look at the sugar quota, the milk compact, and trade restrictions and corporate welfare in general) >>> There is a saying: The battle does not always go to the strong, nor the race to the swift, but That is the way you bet. However, for a "Freedom Loving Conservative" to suggest that democratically elected governments can not change policies that are economically disastrous is logically bizarre. I am referring to case where all the wealthiest and best educated countries in the world (with the exception of the US)that have democratically elected governments and that have universal health care coverage from cradle to grave. It is now 60 years since the British started to provide universal health care. All the best educated, wealthiest, and democratically elected governments in the world have followed the Briish example. There is not one example of failure and there is not one example of an alternative model. Instead of trying to tear down what appears to be popular and working, why not provide an example of an alternative model.