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To: Lane3 who wrote (50274)	2/23/2008 6:10:59 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 543799

If we deal with China, which actually invaded a nice little country, killed the people there, and never gave it back, we ought to deal with Cuba. It's insane to be harder on Cuba than China- at least from a moral perspective. Even from a "law enforcement" perspective China is a much bigger "criminal"- and who here thinks they'll do anything other than exactly what they want to do? It's ridiculous. And such ridiculous stances make us look stupid to the rest of the world.

To: Lane3 who wrote (50274)	2/23/2008 6:18:14 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Respond to of 543799

Lane3; we shouldn't treat them like a civilized country deserving that respect Okay, how about China? How about Saudi Arabia? losing a big negotiating chip And that has worked during the past 50 years how? Who do you think we are hurting with our Cuba policy? We are hurting the people - obviously our policy has done absolutely nothing to influence their leaders. I do believe there is a large group from the right who think every country should conform to us, but do you really think it will work? Why not talk? steve

To: Lane3 who wrote (50274)	2/23/2008 6:42:22 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543799

Negotiate for what? Cuba is a sovereign nation with a highly educated and healthy citizenry. We should establish trade and tourism with them to the mutual benefit of both countries. And leave them to evolve their own form of government.

To: Lane3 who wrote (50274)	2/23/2008 6:49:48 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543799

. One is that we confine our presidential meetings to peers and we shouldn't treat them like a civilized country deserving that respect. lol, they are a civilized country. A poor civilized country, but civilized nonetheless. They have close to 100% literary. They are poor, but they aren't exploited in the same way as the poor are in many countries. They don't have shanty towns. They probably have the best medical system in the world if we confine our comparison to countries with per capita incomes of under (to take a pretty arbitrary number) $10,000 (their per capita income was about $4,500 in 2007, according to the CIA World Factbook). And it compares well enough to advanced high income countries that we had a discussion about it on this thread a number of months ago. Do they have problems and issues? Like, duh.... Who doesn't? We were just talking on this thread about the murder rate in Detroit. Some people considered the violence on our streets as a kind of low level civil war in our country. I question whether, e.g., Uzbekistan, Tajikstan, Haiti, Serbia, and any number of other countries (I'm intentionally leaving out some of the larger and more advanced countries here) are any more "civilized" than Cuba is.