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Politics : President Barack Obama -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (11400)	2/28/2008 9:45:30 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 149317

So bloomberg dropped out of the race. In the NYT today, he has a brief article listing issues that most folks would agree with him on, but that current crop of candidates wont go near. Perhaps what lame duck mayor bloomberg might be looking for is a place on either ticket. For McCain, Bloomberg will make him a more credible choice for moderates and independents. For Obama, bloomberg will make him immediately more credible on Wall Street. Also i wonder how bloomberg on the ticket affects the money situation. Can he still pony up his own money for the ticket? If so, he would solve mccains money gap. Btw, i hear bloomberg likes both mccain and obama.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (11400)	2/28/2008 10:14:06 AM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

ChinuSFO, if you think Obama has no accomplishments and hence will not be a good President, if you think he has no experience and hence will not be a good President, can you cite some successful Presidents who came into office with accomplishments and experience who were successful. I think the country did fine with last 4 presidents: Reagan, Bush 40, Clinton, Bush 42, who all had accomplishments, and experience. I, personally, value executive experience far higher than legislative. 3 of the 4 were governors, with GHWB some executive experience. Unfortunately, we are down to 3 candidates, who were all legislators, none of whom have executive experience (unless you count Hillary being there while her husband had executive power). On the other hand, Guiliani had the experience of running a huge city like NY particularly during a huge crisis like 9/11. Did people consider that? This guy could not get a campaign team together, could not strategize and hence lost the election. I have seen this mentioned in a few places: Obama's biggest accomplishment is how he ran his campaign. I am not convinced it's the best preparation for the highest office. Joe

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (11400)	2/28/2008 6:22:24 PM
From: MJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

Organizing campaigns were not the reasons that Guiliani and Romney withdrew from the Primary process. Guiliani's personal life was focused on by the media early in the primary campaigns turning his personal life into a negative. The media did the same with Romney as they focused on polygamy being a part of the Mormon faith when the Mormons settled in America-----some eroneously calling it a 'cult' such as has been used to criticize Obama's supporters. The media and commenters on the internet portrayed Romney's family background as negatively as possible-----despite his being married just once to one wife----being a Governor with numerous accomplishments in business. Given these early attacks----it was obvious that the handwriting was on the wall for these men as their party's nominee for President. Both were gentlemen, thought of their party and country first announcing their withdrawal early. Like Romney, Obama has been married once. He also comes from a background that reflects multiple wives amongst his ancestors as well as questions about religion. Obama can learn from these experiences of Guiliani and Romney---both Guiliani and Romney have walked through the media's and bloggers' criticisms on these family issues and religion. Regarding Obama's Campaign organizational ability---- Obama and his campaign staff have done a good job with the grassroots' organization----he has the formula for organizing grassroots down well with the help of modern technology such as cell phones and the internet. Reminds me very much of the organizing I have seen done by PIRG and also YAF-----believe PIRG was a brainstorm of Ralph Nader and YAF was a brainstorm of William F. Buckley who just died at 82, the distinguished editor and founder of National Review. As I noted in the beginning it wasn't organizational skills that were a problem for either Guiliani or Romney, it was the focus on family and religion that had nothing to do with their ability and experience that qualified them to be candidates for President. They were both will qualified---------- mj