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To: Lane3 who wrote (51016)	2/29/2008 6:50:23 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 543199

That's not a function of location on the spectrum so much as having fallen off the plane of reality. That was sort of my point.

To: Lane3 who wrote (51016)	2/29/2008 8:23:42 PM
From: Bearcatbob	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543199

"I suspect we've all seen the moment when someone, ideologically and with great rigidity, insists on the rightness of the middle of the road. And everyone not in it is politically nuts. To paraphrase, a part of the looney left or right. Clever. But not very useful. It's hard to imagine that happening, for me at least. I don't deny it's possible, I just can't imagine how." I believe energy is a perfect example of how to combine the view points for a solution. To me the solution is simple. It is a combination of conservation and production. Production is a combination of renewables and thermal. It is not all wind. It is not all about solar. It is not all about drilling everything. Inclusion of renewables is necessary to bring along those who are on the other side. Energy is one of the issues that is already coming to roost in prices higher than they need to be. Coming this spring will be $4.00 gasoline - why? Some will say it is the greedy companies. Well - perhaps - but the botique formulations of gasoline are the problem. When we cannot reach a compromise on energy we have shortages and high prices. This week the lights went out in Texas when the wind stopped. In South Africa the mines are restricted because of insufficient investment in generation. We are facing an energy supply disaster. Sadly - only the lights going out will bring the compromises necessary to solve the problem.

To: Lane3 who wrote (51016)	2/29/2008 8:28:29 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543199

I think it's pretty easy to identify the loony crowd, whatever you choose to call them. They take positions that defy reason. Well, sometimes "reason" depends on the one assessing the "reasoning." My argument isn't about whether the reasoning outcomes are "reasonable;" rather it's about the underlying psychological hold on them, one that defies data, sometimes unconventional data. My discipline is/was full of such. New configurations of data and their interpretations are sometimes resisted, strongly. And those mainstream researchers get pretty obdurate in their resistance.