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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (815)	3/11/2008 5:02:39 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 6846

Laz - Tim was saying that if a man cheats on his wife and hurts her by doing that, then she can be considered a victim even though he has committed no crime. He was talking about general cases, not the specifics of the Spitzer case. So adultery produces a crimeless victim, whereas prostitution is a victimless crime. The wife in this case is hurt both by the cheating, and by the fact that the cheating happened with a prostitute, which makes it illegal. If prostitution were not illegal, she would have been hurt less. - Allen

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (815)	3/11/2008 5:29:31 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 6846

Adultry is illegal? With a prostitute? Yes. You never consider the different aspects of one act separately? In any case adultery with a prostitute isn't illegal. Paying for it is, but not "adultery with a prostitute". If she gives you a freebie you haven't violated the law. Are you going to claim this doesn't fit his activities as known at this point? The fact that his wife and children were the victims hardly means there were no victims. The wife and children where victims of his adultery, and would be even if it was a big sex scandal that had nothing to do with prostitution. Communism would work even better IF ONLY people would play by Communist rules. No it wouldn't. Motivation, and dicipline/playing by the rules, is only part of communisms problem. econlib.org or if that's too long and you want the short form. Prices convey information in a free market. There is no way any central planning body could ever have that level of information in a communist system. Even the wisest, most intelligent, creative, and self-sacrificing leaders and bureaucrats imaginable wouldn't be able to allocate resources as efficiently as markets can. In a mixed market or slightly socialist system they could hope to use the price information themselves, even than they are distorting it, but they at least have a chance of some decent result, but full blown central planning just doesn't work, and wouldn't work even if everyone wanted it. Like it or not, you and I are forced to live in Real World that has slackers, grifters, con men, liars, thieves, murderers, psychopaths, and sociopaths in it. The fact that people can be dishonest, lazy, or even crazy is a good argument for minimal government. Government officials, bureaucrats, politicians, enforcers, etc. are drawn from the same gene pool. If Spitzer faces an actual criminal penalty does that help the kids any? If he doesn't, then why should anyone? I didn't say "does he", but "does it". Does the prosecution help his kids? He's the governors, the guy constitutionally charged with seeing that the laws "be faithfully executed". If he gets a pass with a law is inconvenient for him, why should I, how have no such duty, be held to any law? Sure if we have such a law, those who pass, sign, enforce, etc. the law should be held to it. I'm against any double standard that gives them special privilege or immunity. I just think that its a bad, even to an extent unjust law.