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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (817)	3/11/2008 5:35:44 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6846

If murder were not illegal, thwe wife of a murderer would be hurt less too You can do better than that Laz. With murder, unless the wife is killed, she isn't the victim of the crime. In fact your example is a good one to use against your argument. The wife can certainly be harmed by her husband murdering someone, but she isn't the victim of the crime. The concrete harm (other than the risk of STDs) is a much more severe example of the type of harm that is faced by those close to people who get charged with prostitution. As for the risk of STD's thats an aspect of adultery more than it is an aspect of prostitution. This whole discussion has been about the Spitzer case. Not just specifically about the Spitzer case, but all issues raised by it or related to it. Its about the case, about prostitution in general, about adultery in general, about victimless crime, and non-crimes with victims etc.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (817)	3/11/2008 5:47:16 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6846

Laz - OK, let's go point by point. >>If murder were not illegal, thwe wife of a murderer would be hurt less too. If that's a valid argument against a law, welcome to anarchy.<< It wasn't an argument for the legalization of prostitution, it was simply an observation. A complete argument for the legalization can be made, but it would require more than one statement. >>This whole discussion has been about the Spitzer case.<< Sure. But that doesn't mean we're constrained from mentioning anything that doesn't directly involve the Spitzer case. You started the discussion by saying that the pain Spitzer's wife is going through demonstrates that prostitution is not a victimless crime. Tim pointed out that there are "crimeless victims", too, the spouses of people who cheat. That's a situation that contains elements similar to the Spitzer case. I think I'll leave your last two "points" alone, since they don't really make sense to me as responses to what I said. - Allen