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To: Alighieri who wrote (374643)	3/20/2008 6:25:29 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1575422

Mine work great. I use them everywhere, including outdoors in the flood lights over the garage. I have not had to replace a single one for four years. I just can't understand why all the people on this thread have problems with CF bulbs. I used to be in the business and have been using them for years... they work great, last forever and in addition you can pick your color temperature. "How many political fanatics does it take to correctly screw in a CF bulb?".

To: Alighieri who wrote (374643)	3/20/2008 6:40:16 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575422

Al, re: nukes jh: Both Obama and Hillary are on record opposing the disposal site. Al: So? You have to understand the strategy of anti nuke crowd. They know that one way to sabotage nuclear energy is to block the only (the best) disposal site in the country. Then they say that nuclear energy is a problem because there is no disposal site. So the position on disposal site in Nevada is a proxy of whether you are for the only viable alternative energy source (nuclear) or you are full of shit. Obama and Hillary are both full of shit - or are trading the good of the country for short term political gains in the primary elections - if you are assuming that they are lying about being opposed to Yucca Mountain disposal site. re: fluorecsents Mine work great. I use them everywhere, including outdoors in the flood lights over the garage. I have not had to replace a single one for four years. Like I said, I may just be unlucky, or there is something fishy with compact fluorescents in particular. I bought fairly expensive ones in hardware stores or cheap ones at IKEA, and like I said, they are of poor quality or longevity. I have no problem with long fluorescent tubes in the office. re: solar Save for the panel, the rest of the parts for a grid system are as old as dirt. What's the problem? I was looking at these some time ago. There are number of bells and whistles one can get, such as some on-site storage, timers for water heaters, for when to send to the grid, when to charge etc. While it would be fine for me, since I am a tinkerer to some extend, I could see this being a bit over the head of an average person who has not mastered VCR. But I guess the simplest system of always sending excess to the grid is the most foolproof method - as long as the power from solar as percentage of total rounds to zero. It gets a hell lot more complicated if a massive rollout takes place (heavily subsidized by government). We could end up with power grid quality of Ceausescu's Romania. You presuppose that coal would be replaced by nukes...but the economics of nukes are awful. There are 2 problems: High upfront cost and sabotage by environmentalists (+ NIMBYs). High upfront cost dictates that the plant is in production quickly. The saboteurs can create delays, which make the economics awful. It is very much like building a semiconductor fab. They are like printing money if they are in full production making the right product. With electricity being a commodity, the variable of having the right product is not present. Only issue is timing and lack of disruption once the construction begins. Joe

To: Alighieri who wrote (374643)	3/20/2008 6:50:14 PM
From: Joe NYC	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575422

Al, Here is an interesting quote that popped up at the top of my google searches: "The bottom line is the best way to defeat Yucca Mountain is to elect a Democrat" Here are some interesting campaign slogans that come to mind: Do you want to global warming? Vote Democrat! Do you want oil in triple digits? Vote Democrat! Do you want pollution? Vote Democrat! Do you want to be poisoned by mercury? Vote Democrat! Do you want to send $ trillion to crazy dictators? Vote Democrat! I doubt that's how Hillary or Obama would campaign, but that is the end result of their position on the issue. That is, unless they are lying like they do about NAFTA. Joe