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To: epicure who wrote (55092)3/21/2008 10:37:22 PM
From: Katelew  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542214
 
The standard Biblical presentation is of one who went willingly to his fate....having spent the previous night in the Garden of Gethsemane contemplating the likelihood. Christ also passed up a chance to escape conviction when questioned by P. Pilate.

Christ's lament on the cross is seen as a loss of the feeling of connectedness to God, not a wish for God to intervene. It's seen as a temporary loss of the connection that was bringing Christ the strength to withstand the pain of crucifixion.

Most Christians know that their own feelings of connection to God wax and wane over a lifetime and can empathize with how bereft Christ might have felt in that moment. That's the beauty of the inclusion of this verse in the final compilation of the King James Bible.

Not all scholars try to place this scripture within the context of Christ taking upon himself the sins of the world, whatever the heck that means anyway. So I don't find much value in the link you gave.



To: epicure who wrote (55092)3/22/2008 1:07:09 AM
From: KonKilo  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542214
 
From that statement in the bible I get the sense that he wanted God to rescue him and did NOT want to die on the cross (and who would, really?).

Since he WAS God made flesh, and therefore was sacrificing himself to himself, if he asked him to rescue him, would he not rescue himself himself?