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To: KonKilo who wrote (55197)3/22/2008 1:31:18 AM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542214
 
"Since he WAS God made flesh, and therefore was sacrificing himself to himself, if he asked him to rescue him, would he not rescue himself himself?"

tsktsk, mcwiffle. of what denonimation do you speak? and that is a latter day idea that confuses me as not at all said in the gospels. but then... that whole rapture thing wasn't thought up until the late 1800's.

but you gave me a chuckle. i like to think that god/ess would laugh, also. who would want a god/ess with no sense of humour?

as to the whole thing re the calling out... i see it like that poster's name that eludes me. starts with a K. but with a, perhaps, addition...

if ol' jesus (pronounced heysoos, spanish style) didn't suffer physical pain, what's the point? if he didn't feel at least a moment bereft from his connection with god, what's the point? die for our sins but never feel pain, either physical or spiritual? be a bit of a slide-in, i think. of course he had to feel both those things. and call out when forsaken as we all are when we are wracked with pain, be it physical or spiritual. and he said what any human would feel... rather they say it to god, or a person, or the universe or whatever... 'why?'. my take on it is what some others have taken from it... that in that moment he felt the true pain on all levels that people feel at times. k, for some is not spiritual... but imagine a person so deep in depression, as if the world has all gone dark, they have lost touch with any light in the world, in life. then... they feel it again. "in your darkest hour, in your hour of need..." maybe are some never feel that. they are lucky. but maybe those who feel it are lucky, also. then they know that feeling of being bereft and can give a moment of understanding to another who needs to wait to feel the light again. or something like that.



To: KonKilo who wrote (55197)3/22/2008 10:21:34 AM
From: epicure  Respond to of 542214
 
Who knows?
That's all part of that mysterious God/man stuff. Very complex. But as a lawyer, I'd put it in evidence that he SAID he thought he was foresaken, and that he didn't ACT like a guy who wanted to die nailed on a cross.

If he had wanted to, he would have been singing- like the guy in Life of Brian. Now that's the way a guy acts if he's really happy about dying on a cross. One of my favorite movies, btw.