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To: NAG1 who wrote (55315)	3/22/2008 1:08:21 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Respond to of 542171

I don't know who talked about throwing the Clintons out of the party. I didn't nor will I advocate that. Regarding the questionable charges, I am still not convinced that the Clinton campaign had no hand in the Rev. Wright videos. I have stated my reasons for that. You may label my thinking as a "conspiracy theory" and I won't refute you on that. I was expecting Sen. Clinton to come out immediately and denounce the infusion of race in the campaign when the videos of Rev. Wright was posted on You Tube. She didn't. OTOH, she was very quick to denounce the compromising of Barack's passport records. The day after the passport story broke, it was reported that even her records were compromised. Chronicle the Rev. Wright issue for me and convince me that my thinking is wrong if you wish to. I have chronicled my thinking on this thread to other posters. I just got off the phone after talking with about 30 PA registered Dems. Some said they would vote for Obama because they think he has the right background t o deal with folks overseas as well as making the CEO's of US corporations accountable. Other who said were voting for Hillary were doing so because they thought that her healthcare would cover everybody and they want to see a mandated healthcare. Nobody talked about trace and when asked, they were near unanimous in saying that they feel proud we have made progress on this issue seeing that Obama is where he is. Even the Hillary supporters said so.

To: NAG1 who wrote (55315)	3/22/2008 1:31:32 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542171

"how about mentioning the post that talks about throwing the Clintons and their supporters out of the Democratic party?" i read your earlier post, which was very well said, imo. was going to respond to it but will to this one instead... chinu is not one who has said such things of the clintons. nor used rude names for hillary. i do support obama. in a way, i am sad of that as i think hillary is an incredible mind who could make a great prez, and be the first woman. she is, at least, the 1st truly serious woman 'contender'. but times are what they are. and obama is here. and i think he is something special. in another time i might think 'wait 4 years, while hillary is prez, then come on', but i don't think we can wait. there are certain policy matters i don't trust her on. and i think we have gone so far down the hole of slice and dice that we need something huge, and i think obama might be it. i think both hillary and bill love the people of this country (diff from 'love myyyy country) very much. i think they are sincere. and i would very like to see them be a part of the next steps we take. i made a post (perhaps you missed it or maybe i wasn't blunt enough) attempting to address the hillary-hatebash. it is unseemly even if i didn't like her. it is ugly. and divisive. and, imo, wrong-headed. i can not muster respect for any supporter of obama or anyone who can not also see the positive traits of someone who truly has given much to this country and will give more no matter how tarred she is. she is rather used to being tarred. even my 'typical white woman' mother doesn't like her. which disappoints me. i don't understand why. she can and will have a place that matters going forward. if obama proved nothing else in his speech on 'race', he proved he doesn't toss people away. and that is to be admired, i think. anyways... glad to read your posts. and while you mis-shot re chinu, you are correct re some so-called dems being incredibly nasty about hillary.