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To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (55965)	3/25/2008 1:39:56 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543460

It is not "mental illness dislike" that pushes the dupe idea. (though frankly I do dislike mental illness, and wish people didn't have them. I think mental illnesses are generally bad things for the people who have them, but not everyone who has a mental illness would probably agree with that) You say Saddam bluffed Bush. One of the meanings of "dupe" is "to make a dupe of" to deceive or trick- you are the one who laid the groundwork, definitionally speaking, on this one. usatoday.com Saddam did not have much ability to restart his programs- all he had was the "intention"- whooopeee Final report: Iraq had no WMDs From staff and wire reports WASHINGTON — When the United States invaded Iraq last year to disarm Saddam Hussein's regime, there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq or any facilities to build them, according to a definitive report released Wednesday. Charles Duelfer presented his findings Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee. ... Using the research of the 1,700-member Iraq Survey Group, Duelfer concluded that Saddam ordered his arsenal of chemical and biological weapons destroyed in 1991 and 1992 and halted nuclear weapons development, all in hopes of lifting crippling economic sanctions. "Saddam Hussein ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf War," the report states. The findings were similarly definitive concerning chemical and biological weapons: "Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991" and the survey team found "no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production." .......................... The report resolves disputes about allegations made prior to the U.S. invasion: • Aluminum tubes that the Bush administration alleged were for nuclear weapons production were, in fact, for making conventional artillery rockets. • Iraq did not try to buy uranium overseas. • The team found no evidence that Iraq was developing biological weapons trailers or rail cars. Two trailers found after the war were for producing hydrogen gas for weather balloons. "The former regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions," a report summary says. "Neither was there an identifiable group of WMD policymakers or planners separate from Saddam. Instead his lieutenants understood WMD revival was his goal from their long association with Saddam and his infrequent, but firm, verbal comments and directions to them." ......... So the dictator had dreams of glory and no ability to carry them out- what a fab excuse for a war. Wonderful. Brilliant reason to dump a lot of US cash on that particular part of the ME. Superb reason to spill Iraqi and US blood there. If the CIA guy says it's a slam dunk who's the dupe? The CIA guy, his boss, the president who believes him, and the guys who still say he's right when he clearly was wrong. First law of holes? Stop digging. Second law? Try to figure out why you made the mistake of digging the hole to begin with, so you don't dig another one.

To: Thomas A Watson who wrote (55965)	3/25/2008 9:37:41 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543460

That post about Iraq is a horrible bit of misinformation that has been disseminated to give JUST cause as why we went to war. I have friends who have bought it too so you are certainly not alone in this thinking. However, I think all the facts need extensive investigating for their were fed to us and someone like Tenent knew that they were false. He let Powell go before the General Assembly and make accusations that were false. If you watch the program the road to war which is on PBS you will get the two hour rendition of actual facts