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To: Elroy who wrote (374988)	3/25/2008 7:28:36 AM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575046

Hey Elroy, good post! I'm going to reference it on the Obama thread.

To: Elroy who wrote (374988)	3/25/2008 8:31:57 AM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575046

One doesn't have to defend Wright's speech or anything about Wright to support Obama. And yet Obamaites continue to do it. You should tell the liberals who keep telling us: - we should understand Wright's claim the AIDS virus is a USA of KKKA plot is reasonable because of the Tuskegee experiment - Obama's church is the moral equivalent of the Aryan Nations - not loving America, even hating it, is no big deal. ;>) Obama has condemned Wright's inflammatory remarks And liberals should condemn Wright's hate speech as well. and has indicated that the main thing he got out of the church in question was your normal Sunday "help thy neighbor" service. When did he say that? He said he heard lots of things from Wright he disagreed vehemently with. But he couldn't break with Wright because he's a "crazy uncle" who's as important to him as the grandmother who raised him. If you want to use Wright's inflammatory speech to indicate we shouldn't vote for Obama for President, you must somehow tie Wright's sermons to Obama. Really? How about if I quote liberals comparing the church Obama belonged to for 20 years and is raising his children in to the Aryan Nations? How about if I question why he'd expose his young children to a hate-filled congregation that leaped to its feet to cheer "God damn America, God damn America, God damn America" shouted from the pulpit? Obama has said he thinks the inflammatory sermons are wrong Yes, he has. , and he has indicated his takeaway from the church (and therefore from Wright) was "help thy neighbor". You're putting words in his mouth there. Until we find a tape of Obama yelling "Say it! God damn white man!" himself, the guilt by association approach just doesn't hold water. I don't think Obama has ever yelled this - just the folks he chose to sit beside in church. So go ahead and prove Obama wrong if you think he's lying I think liberals are effectively calling Obama a liar when they defend the statements he condemned. Personally, I haven't disputed the truth of anything Obama has said. I believe Obama when he says he can't disassociate himself with Wright and his congregation because they're as close to him as the grandmother who raised him. I do think thats kind of sick though. It suggests the demagogue Wright is a substitute father figure for Obama.

To: Elroy who wrote (374988)	3/25/2008 10:01:45 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575046

Not only that, but the press, the opposition, Hillary and the (R)'s, have been watching the thousands of DVD's of Wright's services, looking for MORE inflammatory material for Obama to deny. But, they haven't found any. It looks like THAT sermon was the outlier.

To: Elroy who wrote (374988)	3/25/2008 12:38:33 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575046

Excellent post, Elroy. It's one of the VERY few times I've recommended a post. BTW, John Fowler brought it to our attention over on the Obama thread.

To: Elroy who wrote (374988)	3/25/2008 1:48:34 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575046

The Audacity of Rhetoric THOMAS SOWELL It is painful to watch defenders of Barack Obama tying themselves into knots trying to evade the obvious. Some are saying that Senator Obama cannot be held responsible for what his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, said. In their version of events, Barack Obama just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time — and a bunch of mean-spirited people are trying to make something out of it. It makes a good story, but it won't stand up under scrutiny. Barack Obama's own account of his life shows that he consciously sought out people on the far left fringe. In college, "I chose my friends carefully," he said in his first book, "Dreams From My Father." These friends included "Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk rock performance poets" — in Obama's own words — as well as the "more politically active black students." He later visited a former member of the terrorist Weatherman underground, who endorsed him when he ran for state senator. Obama didn't just happen to encounter Jeremiah Wright, who just happened to say some way out things. Jeremiah Wright is in the same mold as the kinds of people Barack Obama began seeking out in college — members of the left, anti-American counter-culture. In Shelby Steele's brilliantly insightful book about Barack Obama — "A Bound Man" — it is painfully clear that Obama was one of those people seeking a racial identity that he had never really experienced in growing up in a white world. He was trying to become a convert to blackness, as it were — and, like many converts, he went overboard. Nor has Obama changed in recent years. His voting record in the U.S. Senate is the furthest left of any Senator. There is a remarkable consistency in what Barack Obama has done over the years, despite inconsistencies in what he says. The irony is that Obama's sudden rise politically to the level of being the leading contender for his party's presidential nomination has required him to project an entirely different persona, that of a post-racial leader who can heal divisiveness and bring us all together. The ease with which he has accomplished this chameleon-like change, and entranced both white and black Democrats, is a tribute to the man's talent and a warning about his reliability. There is no evidence that Obama ever sought to educate himself on the views of people on the other end of the political spectrum, much less reach out to them. He reached out from the left to the far left. That's bringing us all together? Is "divisiveness" defined as disagreeing with the agenda of the left? Who on the left was ever called divisive by Obama before that became politically necessary in order to respond to revelations about Jeremiah Wright? One sign of Obama's verbal virtuosity was his equating a passing comment by his grandmother — "a typical white person," he says — with an organized campaign of public vilification of America in general and white America in particular, by Jeremiah Wright. Since all things are the same, except for the differences, and different except for the similarities, it is always possible to make things look similar verbally, however different they are in the real world. Among the many desperate gambits by defenders of Senator Obama and Jeremiah Wright is to say that Wright's words have a "resonance" in the black community. There was a time when the Ku Klux Klan's words had a resonance among whites, not only in the South but in other states. Some people joined the KKK in order to advance their political careers. Did that make it OK? Is it all just a matter of whose ox is gored? While many whites may be annoyed by Jeremiah Wright's words, a year from now most of them will probably have forgotten about him. But many blacks who absorb his toxic message can still be paying for it, big-time, for decades to come. Why should young blacks be expected to work to meet educational standards, or even behavioral standards, if they believe the message that all their problems are caused by whites, that the deck is stacked against them? That is ultimately a message of hopelessness, however much audacity it may have.