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To: TimF who wrote (261045)4/8/2008 9:18:50 PM
From: neolib  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
The idea of some command to retreat from a particular market because the economist doesn't think someone can compete would not be a free market idea.

I didn't mean it that way. Clearly, most retreats only happen after a bloody fight. In many cases that is not wise either. When Home Depot came to my town, one hardware supply folded prior to their opening, another planned on folding (announced it) and did shortly after they opened, while a third hung in for (IIRC) 6 months and the largest competitor has struggled on, but has just announced they are selling out to some other organization. Don't know that they will do.

At the time, I thought the guy who folded first was a wimp, but I'd say he was smart. So yes, I fully expect the decisions to be made freely by each company, although I'm less convinced that radically boosts the accuracy of such calls. I suspect that industry panels could make some fairly accurate calls as well as to what will happen to various sectors. I suspect they do, and I further suspect that many CEO's factor such calls into their decisions on retreat in the face of new trade policies.

I've seen this first hand because one sector I've played in, very specialized electric motors, I've seen most my USA resources move off to Asia, leaving me at a great disadvantage.

I support free trade more than you do because I'm more confident in America. I don't think that we can't compete in general with China or other countries.

You might want to consider that:

1) The Chinese are smart as hell, and very dedicated.
2) There are 1.3B of them vs. 300M of us.

We do have a way better Constitution and Government, no question about that. But I think the relative change is clearly in one direction only for the next few decades.

Even the biggest markets don't generally have economies of scale such that one company serving the world market will have a serious scale advantage over two or 10 companies serving the market.

Intel and Microsoft come to mind.

BTW, the only really standout semiconductor manufacturing we have is Intel, and that is because they have a defacto product monopoly. Intel never could compete economically in any other market. It looks to me like Taiwan is going to lose out to mainland China as well, although they might just merge FAIK.



To: TimF who wrote (261045)4/9/2008 12:27:38 AM
From: c.hinton  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Tim you manage to completely ignore the problems cause by deficits and a FIAT currency.



To: TimF who wrote (261045)4/9/2008 12:56:39 AM
From: c.hinton  Respond to of 281500
 
Ex-Fed Chairman Chides Current One...

(Paul Volcker salvaged americas economy 28 years ago...he should know better than most!)

By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM
Published: April 9, 2008
The biggest financial crisis in a generation — a downturn that officials at the Federal Reserve acknowledged in minutes released Tuesday might be “prolonged and severe” — is turning the traditionally reserved and omniscient central bank into an institution that seems to be in the throes of family therapy.

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In a speech on Tuesday, Paul A. Volcker, the imposing former Fed chief who felled the runaway inflation of the 1980s, chided the current chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, for toeing “the very edge” of the bank’s legal authority in orchestrating last month’s bailout of the beleaguered investment bank Bear Stearns.

“Out of perceived necessity, sweeping powers have been exercised in a manner that is neither natural nor comfortable for a central bank,” Mr. Volcker told members of the Economic Club of New York.

His remarks came on the same day that Alan Greenspan, Mr. Bernanke’s immediate predecessor as chairman, deflected criticism of his tenure in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, dismissing as “unfair” claims that his policies stoked an untenable housing bubble.

But in defending his own stewardship of the economy over 18 years, a period of generally healthy growth and low inflation, Mr. Greenspan was forced to dredge up some painful memories that have come back to haunt the Fed.

“I don’t know of any time when previous chairmen were so openly discursive about the current arrangements,” said Allan H. Meltzer, an economist at Carnegie Mellon and the leading historian of Fed policy. In the past, he said, “they just didn’t discuss.”

Indeed, Mr. Volcker also implicitly questioned Mr. Greenspan’s cheerleading of the “bright new financial system,” that “for all its talented participants, for all its rich rewards, has failed the test of the marketplace.”

In his time as chairman, Mr. Volcker insisted that the Fed speak in a single, firm voice, and he sought to quell dissent in its ranks. He faced only one open revolt on the board of governors, in 1986, which nearly led to his resignation. But it was his challenger, Preston Martin, who stepped down.

Mr. Greenspan continued the autocratic tradition, gaining a reputation for opaque policy pronouncements that, like Mr. Volcker’s, required a carefully cultivated expertise to interpret. And he stood firm: in his interview Mr. Greenspan said he did not regret a single decision he made during his time as the Fed chairman.

Mr. Bernanke, who took over the chairmanship in 2006 promising greater transparency for the central bank, has struggled to maintain the same level of support.

Minutes released on Tuesday of the Fed’s March 18 policy meeting revealed strenuous disagreements among top central bankers, with 2 of the 10 officials present voting against the decision to lower interest rates by three-quarters of a point.

While not unprecedented, it was the first dual dissent since September 2002.

“It’s a club, and the members of the club tend to be supportive of a club, and particularly of the chairman,” Professor Meltzer said. “It’s not popular to dissent.”

The dissenters — Richard W. Fisher of the Dallas Fed and Charles I. Plosser of the Philadelphia branch — said that a rate cut would further fuel inflation, which has grown faster than anticipated on the back of high prices for gasoline and food.

Mr. Plosser argued that the Fed “could not afford to wait until there was clear evidence that inflation expectations were no longer anchored, as by then it would be too late to prevent a further increase in inflation pressures.”

The dissenters also argued that the Fed’s other efforts to restore confidence among lenders — including its decision to provide cheap loans to investment banks in exchange for relatively risky collateral — were a more effective and time-sensitive approach to improving the economy.

“Two voting members who explicitly see the world differently is a notable development,” said Robert Barbera, chief economist at ITG, an investment and research firm.

Ultimately, the minutes said, “most members judged that a substantial easing in the stance of monetary policy was warranted.”

At the meeting, most of the members said they believed that the economy would probably contract in the first half of the year, and they said a “prolonged and severe economic downturn could not be ruled out.”

The housing slump has shown few signs of recovery, central bankers said in the minutes, and they predicted home values would continue to drop.

Fed officials also confirmed that the central bank found itself in an extremely difficult situation. “Members noted that appropriately calibrating the stance of policy was difficult,” the minutes said, as officials weighed the benefits of lowering interest rates against the possibility that inflation would get out of hand.

Professor Meltzer concurred. “Bernanke is under tremendous pressure from the Congress, from the market, and from the president likely,” he said. “As Mr. Greenspan has discovered, even after you leave, you run into people who criticize what you did even though they may have applauded it when you did it.”