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To: Lane3 who wrote (59315)4/15/2008 2:10:17 PM
From: Cogito  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542024
 
>>If the tipping point is, indeed, near, then they are, indeed, wise in having recognized it. But their "hysteria" is misdirected. That's partly how we know it's hysteria. If the tipping point is where the most shrill voices claim it is, then why the call for initiating action that cannot possibly be effected in time? Even if the planet went dark immediately we couldn't fix the atmosphere before the tipping point came and went. So the calls should be for plans to move to high ground, etc., not cut emissions. It makes no sense to start the emissions cutting process after the horse has left the barn. <<

Karen -

Given the fact that the exact tipping point can't be known, as any climatologist would acknowledge, it does make sense to take actions to cut emissions. It may well have an effect in time, or at least mitigate the damage.

It's kind of like quitting smoking after you have emphysema. You might not be able to stop the disease, but you don't have to aid and abet it.

Another analogy would be the first rule of holes. If you're stuck in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

- Allen



To: Lane3 who wrote (59315)4/15/2008 5:51:43 PM
From: Mary Cluney  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 542024
 
<<<If the tipping point is, indeed, near, then they are, indeed, wise in having recognized it. But their "hysteria" is misdirected. That's partly how we know it's hysteria. If the tipping point is where the most shrill voices claim it is, then why the call for initiating action that cannot possibly be effected in time? >>>

I don't get that. If the hysterical people that are yelling that the tipping point is near, isn't that like hysterical people yelling at you to stop because you are near the edge of a cliff? Slowing down or turning around seem to be the smart thing to do.

Here we have all the hysterical people and the great majority of the most respected scientists screaming that we are near a tiping point, isn't the prudent thing to do and error on the side of caution, is to slow down.

Where is the logic?



To: Lane3 who wrote (59315)4/20/2008 12:40:25 AM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh  Respond to of 542024
 
Lane, I see are a couple of responses to this already. i do take issue with the word hysteria. it is a loaded word. and is too oft used to dismiss people. that aside... run around doing things that don't help? I don't know if that is hysterical but it is certainly impractical. if i think the point is near (and i haven't decided on that), i, at least, would hope i wouldn't run around like chicken whosit. ya know the chicken. the sky is falling the sky is falling. but come up with some practical things to do. and the horse out of the barn? perhaps. but if that is the case, we still have to plan. and the planning is even more dire to undertake.maybe. what i know.