Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : View from the Center and Left -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (59354)	4/15/2008 11:25:05 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542538

Ah, well, a comment about our comments. We do read one another in odd ways. I find your constant questioning of posts to be a bit of a put off. To make that point a bit more clearly, if one advances a position and offers evidence, you find some point in it to question. Not so much the central point of the argument, nor the bulk of the evidence, but some small item. When that's answered, you find yet another small point to question. In the meantime, you rarely offer a position of your own and advance some arguments for it. After we had gone through several iterations of those sort of conversations, I just backed off. Too much work to offer serious thoughts, when it did not appear to be me you were taking them seriously. Nor offering positions of your own. But life is full of surprises. Perhaps we'll surprise one another down the road.

To: Lane3 who wrote (59354)	4/15/2008 11:33:07 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542538

Perhaps it's just that you don't see unions primarily as an element of the national economy as do I but rather as an element of a class war. Don't know about John personally, but I think you make a great point here. We often talk at cross purposes because we start from a different framework. My only experience with unions was when Dan was with American. From his perspective (economic), the union demands were forcing the airline's financials increasingly tighter. From the pilots' perspective, they wanted to make sure they got the same top dollar as, say, Delta and that they weren't being screwed by management, with whom they had a very poor relationship anyway. It was a battle governed by exactly the two views you mention- the fiscal reality v. the class warfare. (only there is nothing at all of the abused underdog about pilots which was part of my problem with the whole union thing). Anyway, I just thought you nailed a general truth there, and why we so often find our discussions weirdly (to each participant) off our initial track.