To: Wayne Campbell who wrote (112975 ) 4/29/2008 4:31:07 PM From: E. Charters Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 312654 Now liberal thought and policies tends to temper the game to try and help the little guy. I can see you are from a foreign country. Your English is good however. Congratulations for learning so fast. Let me explain. Liberals get their power base by pretending to be in favour of the little guy but preparing him for the let down, by spreading the rumour that a candidate has to use his mind and not his mandate to govern effectively , and that the good of the people means the individual has to give up (we hope) some of his freedoms , and safety and security being paramount (from the boogie man so conjured by the worst fears I have implanted in you), it is necessary to give up freedoms to gain security. (That you always wanted as a child) . It is the liberal who will gradually erode your freedoms and make you live in an ever more controlled environment. Who controls the controllers? They are smarter than you. They are liberals who understand liberalism. And trust me they favour the liberals first. That is who elected them. Don't worry they have a list. State security demands it. (True) conservatives on the other hand (see Alexander Hamilton, etc..) consider the freedom of the individual the paramount underpinning of a free state as it would be a conundrum to have even a slightly unfree individual within a free state. This guarantees that the state will not endlessly drive a wedge between a person and their right of property, enjoyment of their self and life, and freedom of action, arms and association. The limitation on eradication of freedoms even for the purpose of defense is eschewed as it assumed that the free individual will rise to the need of the greater defense from threats against that freedom that is inherently the state. (Minutemen et al). The idea of this is to imbue a high purpose and sense of necessary sacrifice amongst the rank and file of the state that does not require coercion for necessary service. This principle was ironically put forward in the movie The 300, in that the Spartans fought for freedom whilst the Persians were enslaved in the army for a large part. In fact the Helots who accompanied the Spartans were also slaves, and the Spartans themselves were part of an authoritarian state, not a democracy. They did fight however for by ideal, which was their rule of law. (Go tell the Spartans that here according to your Laws we Lie.)- And to a great extent their independence from vassaldom to the Persian state. Interestingly, the Spartans while outnumbered logistically perhaps 50 to one fought on a front line at Thermopylae that was 500 men wide. The main Spartan rank was 6 men deep, with three to four times that number of reserves at the rear. The Persians could not outflank and would use a lot more energy trying to break the Greek Phalanx than the Greeks would use. They just didn't have the equipment. The fought wood against bronze. Short spears against the Hedgehog phalanx with its 20 foot Sarissas. The Greeks knew they were a sacrificial army, so dared not risk their whole group from the Peloponessus, of perhaps 75,000, to face the far larger Persian horde (of which Herotodus puts at 2.5 million men of arms and that many support troops.*) They were giving the fleet time to manoeuver. From the start they understood that their fleet and its higher speed and mobility might save them. If Herotodus was right then the sheer size of the Persian Army meant it could not support itself in any one area for more than a few days. This led to the Tactic of the Greeks of waiting at the pass forcing the Persians to attack as being the smart one. They did the same thing at Marathon, waiting for the Persians to depart towards Athens with their Cavalry, before attacking the hastily formed rear guard. EC<:-}