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To: geode00 who wrote (263205)5/1/2008 1:28:42 PM
From: Ruffian  Respond to of 281500
 
Obama is know pimping his wife;

Obama's wife joins push to court working class

By Caren Bohan Thu May 1, 9:47 AM ET

INDIANAPOLIS (Reuters) - If Michelle Obama had her way, her husband Barack would have become a teacher, a writer, a singer, a dancer -- anything but a politician with the chance to make history as the first black president of the United States.
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She described to an audience in Indianapolis how they struggled, like any other young couple in Middle America, to raise two children and pay off debts.

"We are still so close to the lives that most Americans are living," she said. "And I don't know about you but for most of my lifetime, I've felt disconnected from Washington."

The Obamas hope the "regular guy" narrative will resonate with the white working class voters that the Illinois senator has had so much trouble winning over and who may be the key to his White House bid.

Cast as an elitist by New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, his rival for the Democratic Party nomination, and John McCain, the Republican senator he could face in November's presidential election, Obama has turned to his wife to bolster his "close to the ground" credentials.

"We're a young couple with small kids with all the challenges and the emotions and the stresses that come with raising kids, like being a working mom," said Michelle Obama, 44, who is on leave from her job as hospital administrator and now divides her time between campaigning and raising the couple's two daughters -- Sasha, 6, and Malia, 9.

Though she is a Harvard-trained lawyer like her 46-year-old husband, she said the couple was not far from the years of paying off student loans and working to "keep up with bills."

The Indiana forum marked a rare event where, instead of just introducing her husband, Michelle Obama spoke as long as he did and fielded questions with him.

'THE CYNIC IN THE FAMILY'

She described herself as slow to warm up to his interest in a career in politics and said she was initially skeptical of his vow to remake the political culture -- a theme that is central to Barack Obama's book "The Audacity of Hope" and to his presidential campaign.

"I'm the cynic in the family. I'm the one. This is the hope guy," she said, drawing laughter as she pointed to her husband.

"I've spent my life trying to convince him not to be a politician. Teach, write, sing, dance -- I don't care what you do. Don't do this. These people are mean."

She says she has since come around, viewing her husband as someone "who could unite people around values."

Barack Obama's task of courting working class voters was made more difficult by comments he made last month at a San Francisco fundraiser about "bitter" small-town voters. His rivals said the comments suggested he was "out of touch."

In an interview on NBC's "Today Show," Michelle Obama said she was sometimes angered by coverage of the campaign.

"I take the newspaper and I ball it up and I throw it in the corner," she said. "You don't want anybody talking poorly about the people you love."

After losing Pennsylvania to Clinton last month, Obama hopes to edge ahead of her in Indiana, which votes on May 6 and where polls show the two Democrats are running neck-and-neck.

The sometimes blunt-spoken Michelle Obama grew up on the South Side of Chicago, raised by her father, a city worker, and her mother, a secretary and then a stay-at-home mom.

The Obama campaign sees her as someone whose down-to-earth style goes over well with voters.

But she has stirred controversy, such as when she said in February: "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country."

Critics said the comment sounded unpatriotic and suggested she had not been proud of her country before her husband's candidacy.

The Obamas visited the home of Cheryl and Mike Fischer for a lunch of sandwiches and potato chips. Sitting around an oak table in the one-story brick home in the Indianapolis suburb of Beech Grove, Mike Fischer, 53, told of layoffs that loom at Amtrak where he works as a machinist.

Workers whose jobs will be cut will get the option of moving to Chicago. But the Fischers said they had ruled that out because they wanted to stay close to family.

Michelle offered sympathy, saying she chose for similar reasons to stay with her children in Chicago when her husband won his U.S. Senate seat in 2004.

"A lot people said you are going to move to Washington. I was like 'No'," she said. "All my support is the support you build up over years. It is my mom, girlfriends -- you move away from everything."

Asked later about the lunch, Cheryl Fischer, 52, said it had gone well and she particularly liked Michelle Obama.

"She is just down to earth. You can just talk to her. She's like your girlfriend," Fischer said.

(Additional reporting by Andy Sullivan; Editing by John O'Callaghan)

(To read more about the U.S. political campaign, visit Reuters "Tales from the Trail: 2008" online at blogs.reuters.com



To: geode00 who wrote (263205)5/1/2008 1:46:07 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
You apparently misunderstand the meaning of ad-hominem and why it is a problem.

Ad-hominem is when you say that an argument is invalid or in some sense wrong, or at least should be totally discounted, because of some quality about the person making it.

Personal attacks are just that attacks on a person.

They frequently go together with the quality mentioned being one that is presented as negative, even horrible, rather than just a source of bias. Where an insult of the person is given as the reason why you shouldn't pay attention to the argument or why the argument is wrong. This is called ad-hominem abusive. You also have ad-hominem circumstantial where someone's circumstance (their job, their family, their interests etc.) is given as a reason for not paying attention to their arguments (or for their arguments being wrong or invalid). For example if you dismiss an argument by a teacher for more pay for teachers, just because the person making the argument is a teacher. That doesn't include or imply an insult to teachers in general or to the specific teacher in question.

I'll give a few examples -

first a statement about his work, rather than a direct personal attack

"Krugman's writings show partisan political bias."

first a statement that IS an personal attack but is not an ad-hominem

"Krugman is a partisan hack".

Now a statement that is ad hominem, but isn't a personal attack (ad hominem circumstantial)

"Why should you pay any attention to Krugman when he says that economic research needs more funding. He's an economist, of course he would say that"

Now one that's both ad-hominem and a personal attack. (Ad-hominem abusive)

"No one should care about Krugman's arguments. He's a partisan hack who is so blinded by his bias that he would say anything if it supports his political agenda".