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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (63198)	5/3/2008 1:33:50 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542798

If you missed Rev.Wright's speeches, where he elaborates on this then here is a start Now I'm sorry I asked. Rev. Wright on black-white cognitive differences Here's an interesting excerpt from Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.'s Sunday night Detroit NAACP speech: Turn to your neighbor and say different does not mean deficient. It simply means different. In fact, Dr. Janice Hale was the first writer whom I read who used that phrase. Different does not mean deficient. Different is not synonymous with deficient. It was in Dr. Hale's first book, "Black Children their Roots, Culture and Learning Style." Is Dr. Hale here tonight? We owe her a debt of gratitude. Dr. Hale showed us that in comparing African-American children and European-American children in the field of education, we were comparing apples and rocks. [Ha-ha.] And in so doing, we kept coming up with meaningless labels like EMH, educable mentally handicapped, TMH, trainable mentally handicapped, ADD, attention deficit disorder. And we were coming up with more meaningless solutions like reading, writing and Ritalin. Dr. Hale's research led her to stop comparing African-American children with European-American children and she started comparing the pedagogical methodologies of African-American children to African children and European-American children to European children. And bingo, she discovered that the two different worlds have two different ways of learning. European and European-American children have a left brained cognitive object oriented learning style and the entire educational learning system in the United States of America. Back in the early '70s, when Dr. Hale did her research was based on left brained cognitive object oriented learning style. Let me help you with fifty cent words. Left brain is logical and analytical. Object oriented means the student learns from an object. From the solitude of the cradle with objects being hung over his or her head to help them determine colors and shape to the solitude in a carol in a PhD program stuffed off somewhere in a corner in absolute quietness to absorb from the object. From a block to a book, an object. That is one way of learning, but it is only one way of learning. African and African-American children have a different way of learning. They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style. Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person. Some of you are old enough, I see your hair color, to remember when the NAACP won that tremendous desegregation case back in 1954 and when the schools were desegregated. They were never integrated. When they were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my school freaked out. Why? Because black kids wouldn't stay in their place. Over there behind the desk, black kids climbed up all on them. Because they learn from a subject, not from an object. Tell me a story. They have a different way of learning. Those same children who have difficulty reading from an object and who are labeled EMH, DMH and ADD. Those children can say every word from every song on every hip hop radio station half of who's words the average adult here tonight cannot understand. Why? Because they come from a right-brained creative oral culture like the (greos) in Africa who can go for two or three days as oral repositories of a people's history and like the oral tradition which passed down the first five book in our Jewish bible, our Christian Bible, our Hebrew bible long before there was a written Hebrew script or alphabet. And repeat incredulously long passages like Psalm 119 using mnemonic devices using eight line stanzas. Each stanza starting with a different letter of the alphabet. That is a different way of learning. It's not deficient, it is just different. Somebody say different. I believe that a change is going to come because many of us are committed to changing how we see other people who are different.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (63198)	5/3/2008 3:27:42 PM
From: biotech_bull	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542798

Chinu, I dunno if one can truly separate melody & rhythm while considering music. Is it really possible to have one without the other and call it music ? the difference often is an exaggeration of one more than the other; peak-shifting if you will. Rap is and can be great music but the problem is the lyrics and the gangsta lifestyle - but then if you take the filthy lyrics and gangsta lifestyle out, it's not really Rap, is it?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (63198)	5/3/2008 3:40:36 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542798

uhm, you suggesting black artists/listeners not enjoy melody? take a listen - youtube.com also, re rap, it is hardly new. you might harken way back to celtic bards who had to memorize 'poems' and recite them, sans music. rather 'rappish'. i laugh when late 20th century rap artists suggest they 'created' something new. the speaking of poetry is as old as personkind is. and i venture to say that the different ways of learning are not race oriented but personal oriented. i learn from sound not reading, for instance. but really when you are talking rap within the black music community you are talking not very long ago. it means nothing in terms of black musical history and the history of 'rap' is more white than black, ala celtic rather than anything from africa, yes? celtics simply chanted/rapped their words.