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To: i-node who wrote (382941)	5/6/2008 11:32:24 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570693

"The problem, of course, is that the oceans are not getting warmer. " Yeah they are. In my Physical Oceanography class in the mid-1970s, we were taught that mean sea level had risen about 18 cm. since 1900, mainly due to thermal expansion. That was something that was considered to rank right up there with the constant concentration of the top 20 ions. en.wikipedia.org Oceanographers are obsessive about measurement. Now, granted, at the time all they really knew was sea level had been rising. The only plausible explanation was thermal expansion because there wasn't any significant melting of land ice at the time. When they evaluated the data, they found that average night time temperatures have been on the rise. Day time temps. fluctuated a lot, and had even gone down for extended periods of time. But not so much with night time temps. And, in retrospect, you would expect night time temps. to be most affected by an increase in greenhouse gasses. At the time, they hadn't made the connect with increases in atmospheric CO2. But, marine science and oceanography is like that. It is still primarily observational. Putting the data together in ways that makes sense isn't easy. But that doesn't stop them from collecting the data. And the rising sea level was something that sort of jumps right out at you. This is why I find the controversy over global warming so amazing. This isn't new, I've known about it for 3 decades. And I learned it as an undergrad, it wasn't anything cutting edge.

To: i-node who wrote (382941)	5/7/2008 2:33:52 AM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1570693

David, > The problem, of course, is that the oceans are not getting warmer. Even if they were, there are way too many variables to consider when it comes to weather-related natural disasters. After Hurricane Katrina, every hurricane season which followed was supposed to be worse due to global warming. That hasn't happened yet, but lo and behold, a natural disaster comes rolling into dirt-poor Myanmar, and the first thing that comes out of Gore's mouth is "See, I told you so! Global warming!" Such vanity. Tenchusatsu

To: i-node who wrote (382941)	5/7/2008 6:55:50 AM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570693

it's been discussed here numerous times, with the liberals' position being that record cold is proof of global warming...

To: i-node who wrote (382941)	5/7/2008 11:00:25 AM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570693

So, they're scrambling to figure out why in the hell, with all this global warming, the globe isn't getting warmer, rather, it is cooling. There is no basis whatsoever for your gloating, since you are neither a scientist nor an expert on any of this....so you are reduced to your typical politically anchored contrarian view just to poke cynical fun at the liberals, in this case on a matter of great importance to the future of the nation and the planet. I suppose it is futile to point out that, if the models about warming are right, disasters become irreversible with inactivity and the passing of time. The funniest part of this is that working on the problem promises progress on alternative energy forms as well as increased self reliance, a subject you guys pride yourselves as being champions of...not to mention an economic gift to the nation. I can think of no negative byproduct to us as a society from striving towards cleaner and alternative forms of energy...so why is it you guys never miss a chance to make fun of gore and other messengers? Beats the shit out of me.... Al