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To: NAG1 who wrote (67461)	5/21/2008 3:29:01 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540833

His campaign promised the Canadians that all the nafta talk was just that. This actually hasn't been established, Neal. Even that anything happened since the source of the Canadian leak had a serious conflict of interest. And even if the strongest version of the narrative never implicated his campaign. Only one of his economic advisers. And this is conjecture on my part, but I am wondering if Obama didn't promise Bill Richardson something to come on board. If Richardson were offered the vp slot, you would have a hard time convincing me that this was something that wasn't offered beforehand. But, again, Neal, this is something you don't know. So to accuse Obama of promising things and then using as one of your illustrations, a promise you have no evidence for, is a bit weak. The best evidence I've seen for Obama's pragmatism when it comes to politics as usual is a longish piece in the NYTimes a week or so ago about how he worked his way up in Chicago politics. I posted it on this thread at the time.

To: NAG1 who wrote (67461)	5/21/2008 7:44:08 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 540833

Obama to don a cape once elected and fly into Washington and change everything immediately with his super powers. I haven't heard him say th at. This is what I Hillary say that things cannot be changes with a magic wand. Instead, what I heard Obama say was that he is going to provide an in to the American people so that he and the American people can change things. The reason I think that Hillary and McCain cannot do that is because they have been propped by the lobbyist who are the folks that forms that Washington wall. The people have already taken Obama up on that offer and it is a waste of time for Hillary and Mccain to be untruthful, sarcastic and bury their head in the sand. The large sums of money flowing into Obama's campaign coffers are from the American people. How much more simple has it to be before even the most biased folks wake up to the reality. Yes indeed, the Obama supporters in their zeal demonstrated in defending Obama can also turn that zeal against Obama if he fails to keep that promise. Think of the Rev. Wright issue. Here is what aptlly fits Hillary and her behavior as a sore loser: A person who given an inch demands a yard is best dealt with by the foot. She has to be careful what she does after June 3rd.