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To: Rambi who wrote (68762)	5/27/2008 11:45:07 AM
From: DanD	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542023

I'll unquestionably listen to just about any general when it comes to how to take a hill. But why you take a hill? Nuh-uh. Not "any" general.

To: Rambi who wrote (68762)	5/27/2008 12:55:16 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542023

Rambi, re: "And immediate withdrawal strikes me as unrealistic and probably damaging, but staying until they have a functional democracy also is asking us to pay a pretty dear price for one admin's hubris." I always worry about letting the advocates of the war create assumptions that are counter to the realities. In particular, "staying until they have a functional democracy" is not in the cards, no matter how long we stay. The real choice is whether we're willing to continue to spend lives and money to prop up sham governments that act in ways that are not democratic and not functional, or not. When we stop propping up such Iraqi governments the nation of Iraq will flow to whatever future is dictated by the course of its history and favored by those Iraqis willing to fight and die for their ideas. In debating what we should do, therefor, we ought to first recognize what we cannot do. Ed