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To: Bridge Player who wrote (69041)5/28/2008 12:00:27 PM
From: Suma  Respond to of 542563
 
You have got to be kidding. Have you read the headlines about his dishonesty in about every newspaper in the USA...

It's not just the Times or Washington Post. It's heralded every place.

Or do you just dismiss what Scott Mcclellan had to say about his experience in the White House ? Gosh I wish I had you as a follower. Blind devotion..



To: Bridge Player who wrote (69041)5/28/2008 12:02:44 PM
From: Steve Lokness  Respond to of 542563
 
Bridge Player;

Nah. I don't support President Bush out of pity. I do it out of admiration for his personal honesty, integrity, and value systems.

So you are one of the 20 something percent that still support Bush? Wow. How do you square your thinking with the constant leak of information coming from insiders in the government - including the latest book by McClellan? Big conspiracy? They do not agree with you - and should have a better perspective.

steve



To: Bridge Player who wrote (69041)5/29/2008 12:40:27 PM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 542563
 
Bridge Player, re; "Nah. I don't support President Bush out of pity. I do it out of admiration for his personal honesty, integrity, and value systems.

But how do you rate his insight, his competence and his grasp of the major issues?

Even among his most ardent past supporters there seems to be general agreement that he lacks curiosity, competence, the ability to see both sides of an issue and a firm grasp of the complexities of the real world.

In the face of those brutally exposed weaknesses, those of you who still support him based on his perceived "personal honest, integrity, and value systems," must have a very low bar.

I'd bet that low standard wouldn't transfer into your personal life. Would you "support" a local neurosurgeon you thought had personal honesty, integrity and a value system you agreed with even though he was sadly lacking in competence and had botched many surgeries? Would you allow him to do brain surgery on a beloved family member? I seriously doubt that.

Most of us wouldn't get brain surgery from that guy. In fact we'd elect to have surgery from a crazy neurosurgeon who had an entirely different set of values than we had but who was a much more talented surgeon and had a long history of remarkable successes.

In fact we'd choose competence over "he's a good guy and tries hard but he's not very capable" in every profession where the job to be completed was an important one. And President of the United States is about as important a job as there is.

Bush is, at best, a nice guy who's not competent. And the list of those damaged from his incompetence is more than 4,000 dead, more than 12,000 suffering serious and permanent physical injuries and tens of thousands with less visible injuries and lifetime of suffering in front of them.

And that's just on our side...the Iraqi's have suffered so greatly that it's almost incomprehensible.

In addition the long term consequences of his incompetence could be enormous.

So if your standard for supporting the president is his perceived "honesty, integrity and value systems" then, hey, you might be very happy with Bush the junior but if you care more about the job than the man in the job then you're like most Americans...deeply disappointed and saddened by the tragedy that is the last 7 years of American history. Ed