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To: tejek who wrote (387259)	5/29/2008 9:50:38 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573092

First we don't have the intelligence on the ground to do that. We never will have. This really depends on a country's priorities and not what you think. Its very unlikely. Israel has an advantage over us in that half their Jewish population are Mizrachi Jews, who know not only Arabic, but local dialects and customs for individual countries - all Arab nations aren't alike. It should also be pointed out that intelligence and "taking them out" hasn't defeated terrorism for them. The policy of holding host governments (like the Taliban govt) responsible for allowing terror groups haven on their territory seems more likely to be fruitful. This puts the onus on the local government to control terrorism in their country. Second, if we were to send assassins abroad to "take them out" liberals in our own country would be horrified and call it a war crime. You object to waterboarding, to rendition of terrorists to their home countries governments, to detention in Guantanamo but we are to believe you would be okay with teams of assassins sent out to kill people without trials or hearings? How can we believe you are serious about this? It contradicts so many of your other positions. I have not heard one liberal object to the arrest of an al Qaida operative. I certainly have. Many liberals assume many or most terrorists we've detained are innocent - the example of the European Muslim who went to Afghanistan after 911 and was captured there and ended up in Gitmo ... hey didnt we discuss that very case here. And weren't you one of the ones arguing his arrest was wrongful? Next, are you backing off from the "take them out" proposal by talking about "arrest" now? Finding them and "taking them out" implies covert action and assassination. Now you seem to be calling only for "arrest". Presumably with them being advised of their rights and immediately provided counsel and us having to show all our evidence on them in open court and disclose it to the enemy. You guys don't even want us listening in on their phone calls unless we have a warrant from a US judge, but we are supposed to be able to spy on them and "take them out". Please. Getting a warrant from a US judge is the law. Are you suggesting that the rule of law no longer matters? Not in the case of war. We shouldn't handle a war problem like a law enforcement problem. AQ is waging war on us, they're not common criminals. The liberal NY Times revealed our secret program to track terroist finances - the SWIFT program. Do you think the NY Times was wrong in doing that? Pretty hard to track them underground when liberals even leak our finance tracking programs. Link please. Do you really need a link - this was a big news item: Bank Data Is Sifted by U.S. in Secret to Block Terror Sign In to E-Mail This Print Single Page Reprints Save By ERIC LICHTBLAU and JAMES RISEN Published: June 23, 2006 WASHINGTON, June 22 — Under a secret Bush administration program initiated weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, counterterrorism officials have gained access to financial records from a vast international database and examined banking transactions involving thousands of Americans and others in the United States, according to government and industry officials. Data provided by the program helped identify Uzair Paracha, a Brooklyn man who was convicted on terrorism-related charges in 2005, officials said. The program is limited, government officials say, to tracing transactions of people suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda by reviewing records from the nerve center of the global banking industry, a Belgian cooperative that routes about $6 trillion daily between banks, brokerages, stock exchanges and other institutions. The records mostly involve wire transfers and other methods of moving money overseas and into and out of the United States. Most routine financial transactions confined to this country are not in the database. Viewed by the Bush administration as a vital tool, the program has played a hidden role in domestic and foreign terrorism investigations since 2001 and helped in the capture of the most wanted Qaeda figure in Southeast Asia, the officials said. ... nytimes.com