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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (69444)	5/30/2008 6:47:55 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542007

aclu.org Grasp that No inference needed. "Dale, To infer that Bush has threatened the right of dissent is beyond my ability to grasp." reclaimdemocracy.org

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (69444)	5/30/2008 7:32:49 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542007

Sorry to provoke your outrage over a misunderstanding but I wasn't referring to Bush and dissent, I was referring to building executive powers at the expense of other branches, creating the all-powerful presidency that Cheney dreamed about ever since Watergate pissed him off so much. They managed to weld their model together for a few years but the unintended result was to undercut their political support, making the whole model unsustainable. Hence their 28/15% approval ratings now.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (69444)	5/30/2008 8:08:58 PM
From: DanD	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542007

It has even earned a name - BDS - Bush Derangement Syndrome. What Republican world smithy smelted that one? Oh never mind, I found it. Charles Krauthammer -- en.wikipedia.org

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (69444)	5/30/2008 9:26:18 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542007

Bob; To infer that Bush has threatened the right of dissent is beyond my ability to grasp. He has tolerated a stream of false abuse for his entire tenure. To tell Americans they are unpatriotic and unAmerican when they disagree with you the president is a form of dissent To quote Teddy Roosevelt; "The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else." Steve