To: TimF who wrote (265156 ) 5/31/2008 12:15:18 AM From: neolib Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500 That is a rather questionable statement. You are showing your ignorance. Why not try your own taste buds and see? It is clear that the average strawberry bought in the months that where the "out of season" period in 1970, would be higher now than it was in 1970. As I clearly pointed out. In any case strawberries are an extremely tiny part of the overall point. I've given you a number of examples. I'm full of lots more. Why can't you pick one specific example to hang your hat on? Can't think of one? Let me recap: Our modern food production and distribution system is driven by the following 1) Maximizing production yields (tons/acre) to boost grower returns. 2) Extending the sales window to as much or all of the year as possible. 3) Providing the most appealing looking product to attract the shoppers attention as this is the primary means of selection. 4) Providing the ability to ship product nation wide or even world wide. 5) Products must be price competitive, at least with similar products. 6) Products need to keep attracting repeat business. 1-5 by themselves don't imply 6 is meet. In fact, what does happen is that 1-5 can displace higher quality products, which are less competitive in 1-5 but excel in 6. This reduces customer choice, but in the end the customers purchase inferior products because that is all that is available. I have commercially grown two crops, apples and blueberries, and I have reasonable knowledge of strawberries and grapes. I see the same dynamics at play in all of these. I suppose, that by some magic, I'm only familiar with the exceptions to your rule that quality has in fact increase. Do I think this is likely. Hell no, I suspect that the same dynamics have played out in most other areas as well. What you have is the following: 1) Since the system is free market, with multiple competitive players, and customers free to chose food of their choice, therefore quality must have gone up. Uh, no, that is not the case at all. Logically or otherwise.