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To: TimF who wrote (70900)	6/5/2008 6:00:34 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542149

Tim; Al Qaeda has been weakened greatly in Iraq. Given that Al Queda wasn't there until we opened the door for them, that they are weakened is hardly much of an accomplishment. Its strongest in Pakistan, particularly the tribal/border areas. It is apparently getting stronger there Since we suspect that this is where BinLaden is, why haven't we been able to crush this rather rag tag bunch? We have been there fighting them for going on 7 years now and you don't find it unacceptable that after 7 years they are gaining ground? steve

To: TimF who wrote (70900)	6/5/2008 6:11:00 PM
From: biotech_bull	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 542149

Al Qaeda has been weakened greatly in Iraq Tim, Al Qaeda was a non factor in Iraq till the US went in. My original comment was more to do with the stature of Bin Laden in the muslim world, which is undeniable...I don't know of any accurate/reliable polls but I am fairly certain he's revered by an overwhelming majority of the muslims more so in the aftermath of the Iraq war. This in combination with the highest unfavorability rating for the US in the muslim world was the reason for my comment. I saw recently that the US had a 90% disapproval rating in Turkey, a secular moderate muslim country with strong ties to the west BB

To: TimF who wrote (70900)	6/5/2008 7:12:02 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542149

>>Al Qaeda has been weakened greatly in Iraq. Its strongest in Pakistan, particularly the tribal/border areas. It is apparently getting stronger there, but that doesn't amount to "its stature has never been greater".<< Tim - I already agreed that Al Qaeda in Iraq has been weakened. But since Al Qaeda in Iraq didn't even exist before we invaded, it's hard to regard its weakening as a net positive. And no, I don't think it's fair to say "It's stature has never been greater." And I didn't say that. I said that recent evidence seems to indicate that it is resurgent. Again, do you have any reliable evidence to show that Al Qaeda, the original one, currently based in Pakistan, is not currently growing stronger? - Allen