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To: gregor_us who wrote (130942)	6/27/2008 11:21:00 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

While I generally agree with you, it should not be lost on anyone that this strategy is not fundamentally any different than a long litany of codependent behaviors, such as giving cash to druggies so they can get their next fix. They are in desperate straights after all "And that is non-trivial..." I would just comment that the entire discussion surrounding offshore drilling in the USA is like most conversations here an example of the false dillemma fallacy. Basically, drilling in the OCS in the USA won't do one thing for global oil prices. It's also not th environmental threat it once was, 30 years ago. But, it will indeed give that cash flow to us. And that is non-trivial. It's cash that flows toward us.

To: gregor_us who wrote (130942)	6/27/2008 11:46:40 AM
From: zebra4o1	Respond to of 306849

It's amusing that LA, the auto-shrine, was built on top of oil fields. One of the things used to kill the ideal route for the Red Line subway was scare mongering about oil field methane seeping into the tunnels. Originally the Red Line was supposed to go down the Wilshire corridor out to Santa Monica. This was the perfect route - a chain of high rises stretching from downtown out to the sea. But near the La Brea tar pits, there had been some basement explosions due to methane seepage and poor ventilation. That was enough stop the project. Now finally, 15 years later, the 'Subway to the Sea' seems like a great idea, and initial planning has started. If all goes well it might be finished by 2025. How about mining the La Brea Tar bits. Lots of good bitumen there.

To: gregor_us who wrote (130942)	6/29/2008 1:56:39 AM
From: Reilly Diefenbach	Respond to of 306849

Gregor, I think that offshore drilling is, as you suggest, the right idea for both California and Florida. I also believe that environmental nazis in both states will fight this tooth and nail for purely ideological reasons. I work in the oil services industry and I can tell you that you're right, offshore drilling and production do not present the pollution risk that they did say at Santa Barbara in 1969 because the technology has advanced very far since then. In some people's minds, however, that will never make any difference. With regard to the rails in California, Union Pacific and Burlington Northern Santa Fe own rail rights-of-way over the entire length of the state. In Florida, the Florida East Coast railroad owns a very straight line along the coast from Jacksonville to Miami, paralleling I-95. Since these ROWs already exist, why then should it be the role or obligation of either these states to pursue a passenger rail enterprise? Why shouldn't these railroads be allowed (and encouraged) to pursue the passenger business themselves?