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To: Cogito who wrote (76594)	7/26/2008 7:21:19 AM
From: Bridge Player	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543225

Yes. There are even people that want to pass laws prohibiting us from carrying handguns. Imagine. Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of ...Speech codes ...parental spanking ...neighborhood covenants ...seat belt laws ...anti-smoking laws ...bar closing laws ...Sunday liquor sales laws ...liquor sales in grocery laws ...campaign finance laws ...jaywalking laws ...medical marijuana laws ...hate crime laws Just a random sampling.

To: Cogito who wrote (76594)	7/26/2008 9:13:25 AM
From: Bridge Player	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543225

Schwarzenegger Terminates Trans Fat in Calif. California Becomes the First State to Ban Trans Fats By MOLLY HUNTER July 25, 2008 — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has made it official: California will be the first trans-fat free state in the nation. All-natural palm, rice and soybean oils will soon be king, and life in the Golden State will be forever altered. The California legislature pushed the bill through last week, and Schwarzenegger signed it into law Friday, July 25. The ban will require food providers to begin phasing out trans fat oils by July 1, 2009. Thereafter, noncompliance with the ban will result in fines of up to $1,000. Trans unsaturated fatty acids are the partially hydrogenated oils that result from a chemical process producing solid fats with a longer shelf life. These so-called "trans fats" were once thought to be healthier than butter, but research in the last decade has shown that they are much more harmful to health than had been believed. According to the American Heart Association, trans unsaturated fatty acids are medically proven to increase the risk of coronary heart disease by raising bad cholesterol (LDL) levels and reducing good cholesterol levels (HDL). With more than half a million Americans dying each year from heart disease, the switch may be coming not a moment too soon. This ban comes on the heels of the New York City's prohibition on trans fats in restaurants, which took full effect on July 1. But the wheels began turning in California before the Big Apple's eateries sought substitutes for their deep fryers. Tiburon, a northern California town of about 8,700 people, has boasted trans fat-free restaurants since 2004. All 18 restaurants turned away, rather effortlessly and voluntarily, from partially hydrogenated oils at the urging of a lawyer, Steven Joseph, and his task force at bantransfats.com. "The change has been very well received by our customers," said Carl Peschlow, owner of Sweden House Bakery in Tiburon. "Those so-called bad fats do, however, give our croissants a little oomph." Peschlow said that while his bakery made the change relatively early, they still use a "tiny bit" of trans fat in their croissant recipe. Otherwise, Peschlow said, "the croissants just look like fat pancakes." When New York City turned its attention to trans fats, they looked to Joseph's Project Tiburon for guidance. Joseph, a California transplant from Washington D.C., also led the fight against Kraft in 2003, asking the food giant to "cease and desist marketing and selling Oreo cookies to children in the State of California" until the popular chocolate sandwich cookie contained zero trans fats. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- More to this article here: abcnews.go.com

To: Cogito who wrote (76594)	7/26/2008 11:42:11 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 543225

Hard to believe there are people who say they value freedom, then want to violate the principles our nation was founded on like that. It's enough to make an American spit. You are really on a role here, Allen. If Dale permitted recommendations, you would get a full ten from me.

To: Cogito who wrote (76594)	7/28/2008 4:14:21 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543225

You know, there is a large movement in this country that wants to stop some pairs of adult citizens from marrying each other. A large movement that would not approve of government formally recognizing such relationships as marriages, or giving the associated benefits. An insignificant movement that would try to stop them from having some ceremony, living together, saying that they are married etc. "Stop pairs of adult citizens from marrying each other" makes it sound more actually stopping people from doing things, rather than not recognizing or supporting those things. There are other people who want to breach the separation of Church and State, and have Creationism taught in the public schools as science. Which would only be an example of what de Tocqueville was arguing to the extent that its imposing restrictions rather than just pushing the idea through the local government. I'd oppose it either way, but the distinction is important. Then there are those who say that our government should be able to detain any person they want to detain, for any length of time, without having to show cause, without being subject to oversight, and without allowing the detainee to even know the evidence against him. There are, but not very many of them.