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To: TimF who wrote (77484)	7/31/2008 9:47:08 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543149

>>To me, if the law is discriminatory, the people against whom it discriminates have a lesser degree of freedom within our society Liberty and freedom typically mean lack of government control or restriction over you and lack of abuse of you. Changing the idea to "getting as much from the government as everyone else is HIGHLY problematic in my opinion, and if we are to do so, than we need to come up with a new word for the original meaning (at least if your going to grab both words rather than just one).<< Tim - So apparently the hangup here is that you think this what I'm talking about is gays not being able to cash in on some kind of government largess that is granted to married couples. That's not what I'm talking about, and in fact I'm not really aware that there is such largess. (Don't married couples end up paying more in taxes as a percentage of their income than single people do? What handouts are married people getting that I'm unaware of?) No, I'm talking about simple things like being able to visit your loved one in the hospital, or being legally considered to be next of kin should one partner die intestate. Stuff like that. Being denied those privileges, which are given to heterosexual married couples, because they aren't legally allowed to marry each other in forty-eight out of fifty states, or even to have some kind of legally sanctioned civil union in most of the rest, is a restriction on the freedom of homosexuals. - Allen