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To: i-node who wrote (404023)	8/3/2008 4:04:32 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576081

"Please tell me where the logic is in setting an arbitrary time table for withdrawal of troops from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground? " This is exactly what I was talking about. He has always said that conditions needed to be taken into consideration. To say otherwise is just wingnut spin. He has also said we need to be careful in how we get out. From Fox. McCain has long maintained that conditions on the ground are a key consideration in any withdrawal of American troops. And he has argued that Obama would withdraw troops based on his timetable without regard to conditions in Iraq, although Obama says he would listen to U.S. military commanders about those conditions. elections.foxnews.com From his website, which you will never read. Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. barackobama.com I know you and your team prefer to just make shit up. We see that here all the time. Y'all can't answer an argument without twisting what the other person posted. It must be in your genes...

To: i-node who wrote (404023)	8/3/2008 7:48:10 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 1576081

"surely you can see how imprudent such a commitment would be, no?" Dave, even if you think conditions for the Iraqis are improving, and there is a chance of a stable government there, there is no justification for the invasion or remaining there one more minute. It doesn't make the United States more safe or improve our security or interests in any way. It's just Bush's pissing match now.

To: i-node who wrote (404023)	8/3/2008 11:27:22 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576081

You say you've traveled a lot and while traveling can be educational, its never the same as living in that place. When you live in a different place or when you get to know people in a different city and see their city through their eyes, you begin to realize there are a whole bunch of ways to do some very basic tasks....like flushing a toilet. Its why traveling can be broadening and why living in one place for a long time can prevent you from seeing the forest for the trees. In that vein, you can't imagine withdrawing from Iraq because you see Iraq only as a win/lose proposition. You don't even understand the goals that were fabricated by some on the right to replace the original reasons for going to war when they were deemed false; the whole concept of nation building of giving Iraqis a fresh start afer deposing Saddam seems to have gone right over your head. Even though the right fabricated those reasons to cover their asses, they are real nonetheless. And now its up to Iraq to live up to their manifest destiny. al Sadr may well rise up again and overthrow the gov't. A new Saddam may come along. That's for the Iraqis to work out. They have been given the tools to have a democracy....now let's see what they with them. However, its their will, not America's. Our job is done....and its time for American soldiers to come home. We have a lot of work to do in this country and we can use the money once spent in Iraq to accomplish needed work here. I know, I know.......you want to secure Iraq's oil for the US and to have numerous American bases in Iraq. First of all, that's not what the Iraqis want, and frankly, its not in our best interest. So ratchet down your expectations. The war is over. American soldiers will be coming home soon. The American people want it that way. He has bought into the meme that Obama is just flowery rhetoric. Please tell me where the logic is in setting an arbitrary time table for withdrawal of troops from Iraq without consideration of conditions on the ground? You aren't a potted plant, surely you can see how imprudent such a commitment would be, no? What happens when you start drawing down troops and al Sadr regains strength -- which could happen? Are we to stand by and allow it? Do you not see the downside in that? Don't you believe ANY American president would be required to act in such a circumstance? Are you going to oppose a THIRD war in in Iraq? Your posts here suggest you are a fairly logical person. What is your logical argument in support of the Obama plan to blindly withdraw troops from Iraq?