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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (38207)	8/10/2008 6:56:12 AM
From: dybdahl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218049

"no one of the former USSR countries there is democracy as we in the US know" - do you still think that this applies to Ukraine?

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (38207)	8/10/2008 7:01:25 AM
From: dybdahl	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 218049

The Russians do not descend from the Vikings - I think the white Americans are genetically much closer to the Vikings than the Russians, but in both cases, it is totally irrelevant because the consequences are none. Even if you look at the hungarians, who share some language with the Finns, they are not Ethnic closer to the Finns today than the Germans. As time goes, genes distribute and only some parts of the culture (like language) remains geographically separated. The Vikings went to the east, but they founded trade stations. They didn't do farming, and quickly mixed with the locals genetically. In other words, they were a minority, but brought trade routes and traditions. Many other kinds of people did that, too. Anyway, the Vikings were mostly trade people, not violent people as depicted sometimes.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (38207)	8/10/2008 7:16:02 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218049

Oh well this is it for today :) I have a brother in the Ukraine, and I have asked him via skype for his views. Most of his business associates are Ukrainian nationalists and they do not have good things to say about Russia. Who poisoned Yushchenko? timesonline.co.uk The pro Russian faction in the Ukraine said they would never do such a terrible thing, and we have another famous case now in the UK of all places... independent.co.uk Some have suggested there could be a Russian dimension to these crimes. It would be unusual for a ordinary private citizen to use polonium as a poison. I am a firm believer in the unbiased use of statistics. There is also a extremist youth movement in Russia too, and they are into this war with Georgia big time. Lots of propaganda to influence the Russian people can be seen on the Russian TV channels in the Ukraine. My brothers synopsis is it will be a real mess. A pity as it's a favorite vacation destination for many people in those regions. But sadly the oil is more important. news.bbc.co.uk Another strategy is needed.

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (38207)	8/10/2008 10:31:21 AM
From: arun gera	Respond to of 218049

>To understand the dynamics one must be familiar with Russian mentality and dogma, regardless of the type of regime. Since the Tzarist times and much more earlier Russia was an imperialistic bended nation dogged by drunkenness and laziness of its citizens, after all their ethnic roots are the Vikings who assimilated with the Slavs and lived mostly form plunder of neighboring territories for hundreds of years. How do you explain the relatively peaceful surrender of power (in 1980s) by Russia/USSR to USSR's constituent republics and East Bloc nations? Empire breakdowns usually get much more violent. Could it be that the USSR and East Bloc nations were at one time truly bound by their belief in communism and that belief broke down by the realization of communism's failure? And the failure of communism pushed the republics back to the Strong Man mafiosi like rule that prevailed before communism. The same problem did not happen in other East Bloc nations, that had alternate systems prior to turning communist. -Arun

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (38207)	8/10/2008 10:49:55 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 218049

Remember that most Russian adventures do not end well. And while that statement admittedly sounds a bit windy, the recipe for disaster is there. Russians have a tradition of Strong Men who overreach and fail. It is not because the forces of peace, freedom and democracy have been in charge that the Russians are so abysmally f****d for so long. It is a country with all kinds of resources it has mismanaged at the altar of The Strong Man or by letting whatever current version of the Mafiothugocracy exists to take over. And that is why it is so screwed and why it looks to me that history is repeating itself. No matter how hard you try, it is difficult to prevent the human yearning for liberty. Ultimately what it is all about, though I admit history shows that this yearning is either weaker in Russia or more brutally supressed. The Nashi, Putin's version of the Hitler Youth, is scary for it shows his intentions more transparently than anything else he does. telegraph.co.uk boston.com